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Sorry Rigby - you're wrong.

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The emails also show that the Trump campaign may have violated campaign finance laws in seeking the dirt on Ms Clinton, which prohibit political campaigns from soliciting anything of value from a foreign government.



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“It is collusion,” Jill Wine-Banks, a former assistant Watergate special prosecutor, said on MSNBC. “It is collusion with a foreign adversary if they were working together to get the information from the Russian government.”







My sense of this is that the collusion is only a part of the bigger picture.

Putin seems to have wanted Trump to be elected. Did Trump make promises to Putin? I'm not aware of any evidence for that as yet.

But if the Russians did take steps to help Trump get elected, they had to have had their reasons.

One of those reasons could be sanctions on Russia. There's a bill that passed the Senate 98-2 yet the White House is working to weaken it.

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I would say they had their reasons, Jr. didn't get those emails out of just helping good old dad as he's such a great guy, the I don't know who she is attorney did not show up suddenly in Trump Tower for no reason as some non descriptive person, there is always a motive, it was either money deals or trying to gain information or giving information that would take the current leader into a direction Putin wanted it to go.
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Putin seems to have wanted Trump to be elected. Did Trump make promises to Putin? I'm not aware of any evidence for that as yet.

But if the Russians did take steps to help Trump get elected, they had to have had their reasons.

One of those reasons could be sanctions on Russia. There's a bill that passed the Senate 98-2 yet the White House is working to weaken it.



Trump, in his campaign seemed to indicate that he wanted to change America's vilification of Russia, so it rather makes sense that Putin would have preferred Trump to Clinton, who embodied all that is grotesque on the subject of waging war.
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America has no problem with Russians, Americans have a problem with Putin and his govt. Of course Obama/ Clinton and democrats obviously recognized Putin who he was as they recognize who Netanyhu is, same kettle Yobbo only a different place with different people.
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The American government is run by the M.I.C. - Clinton was willing to be a mouthpiece for them while Trump seemed to imply he was sceptical. But he has been trumped and the wars continue unabated. Sorry about the pun.
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And when did Trump imply he was going to ditch the vast MIC, all we heard he was going to increase our loser military which actually means increasing not de-escalating the MIC. I think you have misjudged both the leading politicians in the US, unless of course it is outside both politics of the republican or democratic party.
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And if it is just lying dirt and not facts, especially considering it would effect an American election with a country that isn't exactly our BFF. Trumps lie so much we don't have a clue what Jr. did, didn't do, what he knows or doesn't know. What he did was wrong, unbelievably wrong. I call him an enemy of this country and it's free process. Sneaky, slimy, dirty little git.



But Trump Jr. says he got nothing, so then there was no lying involved.
It is not at all wrong to investigate if there was wrong doing.
And Hillary admitted wrong doing by getting the debate questions.
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Sorry Rigby - you're wrong.

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The emails also show that the Trump campaign may have violated campaign finance laws in seeking the dirt on Ms Clinton, which prohibit political campaigns from soliciting anything of value from a foreign government.



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“It is collusion,” Jill Wine-Banks, a former assistant Watergate special prosecutor, said on MSNBC. “It is collusion with a foreign adversary if they were working together to get the information from the Russian government.”



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russia-emails-smoking-gun-treason-claims-watergate-lawyer-nick-akerman-a7836241.html



That is just wrong.
After Citizen's United, it is no longer illegal to solicit anything from anyone, but Trump Jr. did not solicit anything for free as far as we know. If he had gotten anything from the Russians, he might have paid for it, for all we know.

And the collusion quote is just wrong.
Since nothing illegal happened, there can be no collusion. There has to be cooperation on a crime before you can charge collusion, in the legal sense of the word.
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America has no problem with Russians, Americans have a problem with Putin and his govt. Of course Obama/ Clinton and democrats obviously recognized Putin who he was as they recognize who Netanyhu is, same kettle Yobbo only a different place with different people.



That is not exactly true.
The US deliberately created al Qaeda just to economically bankrupt the USSR in an unwinnable war.
Later the US tried to do something similar in the Ukraine and Syria.
The US has always been attacking the USSR/Russia, for no valid reason.
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Sorry Rigby - you're wrong.

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The emails also show that the Trump campaign may have violated campaign finance laws in seeking the dirt on Ms Clinton, which prohibit political campaigns from soliciting anything of value from a foreign government.



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“It is collusion,” Jill Wine-Banks, a former assistant Watergate special prosecutor, said on MSNBC. “It is collusion with a foreign adversary if they were working together to get the information from the Russian government.”



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russia-emails-smoking-gun-treason-claims-watergate-lawyer-nick-akerman-a7836241.html



That is just wrong.
After Citizen's United, it is no longer illegal to solicit anything from anyone, but Trump Jr. did not solicit anything for free as far as we know. If he had gotten anything from the Russians, he might have paid for it, for all we know.

And the collusion quote is just wrong.
Since nothing illegal happened, there can be no collusion. There has to be cooperation on a crime before you can charge collusion, in the legal sense of the word.



Rigby, we know that you're knowledge of the law exceeds that of any of the lawyers who have commented on this but you're wrong.

Claiming that collusion never occurred because Junior didn't get any of the information that he went into the meeting with the express purpose of gaining is like claiming someone isn't guilty of bank robbery because they ended up leaving the bank without any cash. Simply meeting with them for the purpose of getting that information.

And no idea what you think Citizens United has to do with this - the counterparty here is a foreign government, not some sort of private entity.

BTW - you brought up whistle blower statutes - they don't apply here either.
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