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Geezess wrote:

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John1959 wrote:

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Geezess wrote:

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?



Nope.
It is common logic in reply to YOUR question.
If you want the data, find it and post it in support of YOUR OWN (fake news ? ) contention.
You do have a computer, right ?
Here, learn to use it:
https://www.google.com/

Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ? emoticon




You need to choose your words more carefully, there is no need to be that rude.



Look, I see what you are saying, but why is denying common sense and implying that I'm a liar, wrong thinking for the politically unpure use of logic and common sense not the root cause of the uncivil atmosphere of our politics ?

Completely in respect of your position as an authority here, please show me how one should reply to John's neo-know nothings, (a proper American political term ) dishonorable tactic:

" The Know-Nothing Party, also known as the American Party, was a prominent United States political party during the late 1840s and the early 1850s. The American Party originated in 1849. Its members strongly opposed immigrants and followers of the Catholic Church.
Know-Nothing Party - Ohio History Central
www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Know-Nothing_Party,
.. you do understand that, right ?

Then if you will not show me how to suit your high standards, for some, then, now we are sure that should understand what I said, at least, could you, please, answer my question:

 "Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ?" emoticon


Unless, of course that, neo-know nothing policies, is what you do support and how you think is how we all should be here, again
the neo-know nothing best tactic.

That is only right as member, but it needs to be questioned if you're acting out of your your authority as an Administrator.
Which is it ?

So, in closing and in fairness to you, Katie, should we just reply to the right wing alternative truth with :" Care to share your source for this?" knowing that they never do as they demand of others ?

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Could there be a 4th scenario, there is something 'wrong' with the cop? It is the strangest story to have a cop that is in the passenger side shoot across his partner through his partner's door, with an unarmed person in their pajamas reporting a crime, if it is the way it is to have happened. I'm wondering what cop driver thought about a bullet whizzing by, shooting and killing what seems to be a very innocent victim, who this time was not a suspected criminal.



Undoubtedly there was something wrong with the cop.
But for how long, how come no one said or did anything, is there no periodic evaluation, was there no scenario training, etc.?

If it can happen once, it likely happens a whole lot more, and instead of dealing with it, government tends to just cover it up.
So then one has to wonder if it is not actually intentional?
That government WANTS people to be intimidated by overly aggressive cops.
That is how you extend virtual slavery once slavery was not longer legal.
That is how the 1% maintains their advantage.
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... and he shot an unarmed woman from the safety of car, too.
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Look, I see what you are saying, but why is denying common sense and implying that I'm a liar, wrong thinking for the politically unpure use of logic and common sense not the root cause of the uncivil atmosphere of our politics ?



Who said you were lying?

I simply asked the question, "Care to share your source for this?"

I wanted to know why your view conflicted with my own based on what I have read.

And for the record - and you would know this if you had read most of my posts - I am extremely far from "right-wing".

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Geezess wrote:
quote:

John1959 wrote:
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Geezess wrote:
Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?



Nope.
It is common logic in reply to YOUR question.
If you want the data, find it and post it in support of YOUR OWN (fake news ? ) contention.
You do have a computer, right ?
Here, learn to use it:
https://www.google.com/

Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ? emoticon




So you don't want to share a source and you claim it is "common logic".

OK, then I'll post what I have found;


963 people have been shot and killed by police in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

That seems to be what is reported for each of last few years - somewhere around 1,000.


The number of all firearm deaths in 2014 was 33,594 according to the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm




That is a disgusting attempt to lie.
Half those firearm death are suicides, and most of the others are actually attempted thefts gone bad accidentally.
Plus there are over 330 million people, while less than 900 thousand cops, so anything not adjusted by group size is deliberate diversion.
This also makes absolutely no attempt to differentiate between valid self defense shooting and aggression. And it is average people who get attacked and need to defend themselves, not police. No one ever attacks police intentionally, normally.
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Look, I see what you are saying, but why is denying common sense and implying that I'm a liar, wrong thinking for the politically unpure use of logic and common sense not the root cause of the uncivil atmosphere of our politics ?



Who said you were lying?

I simply asked the question, "Care to share your source for this?"

I wanted to know why your view conflicted with my own based on what I have read.

And for the record - and you would know this if you had read most of my posts - I am extremely far from "right-wing".




No, your view it totally and extremely right wing because you believe government should have total control over all matters of freedom and self defense, and that individuals have no means of right of self defense.
You proclaim your fascist intent yourself, by echoing the most fascist organization in the country, the NRA.
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LOL
 That does not answer the question at all.

" The number of all firearm deaths in 2014 was 33,594 according to the CDC." / the population of the USA = what ?

(10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Compare that to:
'963 people have been shot and killed by how many police in 2016.

963/ X = what. 765 ?

as there were 765,246 full-time police officers in the United States —
blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2016/.../how-many-police-are-there-in-the-united-states/

So 963/765 = what ? 12.6 per 100,000 killed ?

Edit Re: Rigby calling me a disgusting liar in this political climate, which is somehow NOT RUDE, here ? :
"That is a disgusting attempt to lie.
Half those firearm death are suicides"

Okay, and given it so common for the police to be trigger happy why is it not fair to compare, to include:

Urban Dictionary: suicide by cop
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suicide%20by%20cop
Passive method of suicide by those without the guts to kill themselves. Involves entering or drawing a police response, then provoking a lethal draw of fire by ...



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LOL
 That does answer the question at all.

" The number of all firearm deaths in 2014 was 33,594 according to the CDC." / the population of the USA = what ?

(10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Compare that to:
'963 people have been shot and killed by how many police in 2016.

963/ X = what. 765 ?

as there were 765,246 full-time police officers in the United States —
blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2016/.../how-many-police-are-there-in-the-united-states/

So 963/765 = what ? 12.6 per 100,000 killed ?

Edit Re: Rigby calling me a disgusting liar in this political climate, which is somehow NOT RUDE, here ? :
"That is a disgusting attempt to lie.
Half those firearm death are suicides"

Okay, and given it so common for the police to be trigger happy why is it not fair to compare, to include:

Urban Dictionary: suicide by cop
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suicide%20by%20cop
Passive method of suicide by those without the guts to kill themselves. Involves entering or drawing a police response, then provoking a lethal draw of fire by ...




No, I am calling John1959 the disgusting liar.

You just deferred looking up time consuming numbers.
He deliberately put up a number he had to know was obviously wrong and misleading.

Suicide by cop does not make police look better, but far worse because no one is making them pull the trigger.
Instead they could fall back, use a nonlethal weapon, etc.

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And I was referring to Geezess post when John asked a simple question who kills more people, cops or the average citizen and it as an administrator.
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LOL
 That does answer the question at all.

" The number of all firearm deaths in 2014 was 33,594 according to the CDC." / the population of the USA = what ?

(10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Compare that to:
'963 people have been shot and killed by how many police in 2016.

963/ X = what. 765 ?

as there were 765,246 full-time police officers in the United States —
blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2016/.../how-many-police-are-there-in-the-united-states/

So 963/765 = what ? 12.6 per 100,000 killed ?

Edit Re: Rigby calling me a disgusting liar in this political climate, which is somehow NOT RUDE, here ? :
"That is a disgusting attempt to lie.
Half those firearm death are suicides"

Okay, and given it so common for the police to be trigger happy why is it not fair to compare, to include:

Urban Dictionary: suicide by cop
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suicide%20by%20cop
Passive method of suicide by those without the guts to kill themselves. Involves entering or drawing a police response, then provoking a lethal draw of fire by ...




No, I am calling John1959 the disgusting liar.

You just deferred looking up time consuming numbers.
He deliberately put up a number he had to know was obviously wrong and misleading.

Suicide by cop does not make police look better, but far worse because no one is making them pull the trigger.
Instead they could fall back, use a nonlethal weapon, etc.



Sorry.
Thanks, and I got caught up in his neo-know nothing tactics.
They are what is root of rude, here and in politics in general.

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