Re: The board: Good man. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but regardless I'm going to try to hang out here more. I've missed it. There have just been things requiring my time the last ten months or so.
Re: The board: There can be civil, and very interesting, differences of opinion among people of the same political persuasion, or even among people of different political persuasions when they all believe in equality under the law and equality of opportunity for people of all races and religions and genders and sexual orientations.
But when you get a poster who says Muslims have to be wiped out or expelled, or denied their civil rights, because they want to impose sharia on us. Or one who says African-Americans are angry and hate white people. Or one who says poor people are poor because they won’t work, and rich people shouldn’t be taxed for their success. Or one who says women are genetically unfit to be lawmakers or engineers. Or one who says if you can’t win at the ballot box, you should resort to bullets -- so many ideas that have appeared on boards I have been on. It’s then that you have to decide, Do I let that pass, or do I object? If I object, how strong should my objection be? Do I try to reason about something that is not susceptible to reason, or do I call these ideas by their names? How much tolerance of intolerance am I prepared to ignore?
It’s easier to ignore these things if they are in a thread where you haven’t joined the discussion. But it’s very hard to ignore them if you started the thread or if the offensive post is in answer to something you’ve just said. Sometimes the idea is so egregious or unreasonable that you can’t ignore it and keep your self-respect no matter where it’s posted. If you can’t speak then, you have to leave the board, and sometimes leaving is a very great loss.
cooter I hereby apologize for confusing the issues with facts.
BTW - I'm still waiting for an answer as to why you think sororities et al should go back to the old days with house mothers and so forth. You've never answered that.
And the only other place I can think of where we butted heads was over Trump's transgender ban in the military - you didn't like having your logic critiqued. But that's it.
As noted a apology becomes a slam, there is no consideration for any view point but the immediate and as such can have to meaning save to be placed underfoot. This is why it is not worth or worthy to give an alternate view, an alternate ideal or an difference of opinion as it becomes a target to play with and ridicule from. No thanks.
I come in and view then leave as geezes, john and shiftless having absolutely closed minds and made up minds that will not accept anyone else's viewpoint or even be considerate in asking the premise of other view points have treated so many so badly here that I just backed out awaiting what would happen. It evidently has where many are just backing off and out to give them back pat room for those long double jointed arms.
I will not post anywhere that I am personally attacked for a view I consider as OPEN where they cannot be open enough to consider alternative sides. They want a strictly 'Their View' board they can have it with good luck being interesting enough to draw responses.
I can see what you mean.
But although we all have our areas of intense beliefs, there also are always areas of mutual interest.
Instead of always focusing on intransigent areas, there are always other areas that may work out better, such as food, hobbies, human relations, vacations, natural wonders, speculations on the future, great deeds of the past, etc.
When someone seems stubborn or short sighted, it is best to assume they mean well, but just think their data is correct. When in reality , no one can be really sure of our data.
There can be civil, and very interesting, differences of opinion among people of the same political persuasion, or even among people of different political persuasions when they all believe in equality under the law and equality of opportunity for people of all races and religions and genders and sexual orientations.
But when you get a poster who says Muslims have to be wiped out or expelled, or denied their civil rights, because they want to impose sharia on us. Or one who says African-Americans are angry and hate white people. Or one who says poor people are poor because they won’t work, and rich people shouldn’t be taxed for their success. Or one who says women are genetically unfit to be lawmakers or engineers. Or one who says if you can’t win at the ballot box, you should resort to bullets -- so many ideas that have appeared on boards I have been on. It’s then that you have to decide, Do I let that pass, or do I object? If I object, how strong should my objection be? Do I try to reason about something that is not susceptible to reason, or do I call these ideas by their names? How much tolerance of intolerance am I prepared to ignore?
It’s easier to ignore these things if they are in a thread where you haven’t joined the discussion. But it’s very hard to ignore them if you started the thread or if the offensive post is in answer to something you’ve just said. Sometimes the idea is so egregious or unreasonable that you can’t ignore it and keep your self-respect no matter where it’s posted. If you can’t speak then, you have to leave the board, and sometimes leaving is a very great loss.
Great post.
I can share those frustrations.
In fact I can understand how I am wrong when I sometimes consider the bullet over the ballot box out of frustration, because the reality of innocents harmed when things come down to violence.
What I have decided is that when something totally unacceptable comes up, you don't ignore it, but after you have given it your best shot, then more would just likely waste everyone's time and make people even less open to change.
Re: The board: The rules are simple, hopefully easy to follow and important to keep the board civil. If I may remind you all. #4 is the rule that I consider most important. If Katie or I miss something you can always let us know by private message. Give us time to get things right and to discuss it carefully on the management board. We will do our best to fix the problem. That is OUR job.
The rules:
Be nice.
Don't start fights
Don't get caught up in a fight.
Let me and my administer handle anyone who is out of line.
Enjoy yourself and have lots of fun.
Try and post an opening post a few times a week. It keeps people interested.
Rose.
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"libido sciendi"..... the passion to know.
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"libido sciendi"..... the passion to know.
The rules are simple, hopefully easy to follow and important to keep the board civil. If I may remind you all. #4 is the rule that I consider most important. If Katie or I miss something you can always let us know by private message. Give us time to get things right and to discuss it carefully on the management board. We will do our best to fix the problem. That is OUR job.
The rules:
Be nice.
Don't start fights
Don't get caught up in a fight.
Let me and my administer handle anyone who is out of line.
Enjoy yourself and have lots of fun.
Try and post an opening post a few times a week. It keeps people interested.
Rose.
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"libido sciendi"..... the passion to know.
Good point.
Whether one is right or not, a long heated exchange between 2 people just ruins things for others who have other interests that get shut out.
cooter I hereby apologize for confusing the issues with facts.
BTW - I'm still waiting for an answer as to why you think sororities et al should go back to the old days with house mothers and so forth. You've never answered that.
And the only other place I can think of where we butted heads was over Trump's transgender ban in the military - you didn't like having your logic critiqued. But that's it.
As noted a apology becomes a slam, there is no consideration for any view point but the immediate and as such can have to meaning save to be placed underfoot. This is why it is not worth or worthy to give an alternate view, an alternate ideal or an difference of opinion as it becomes a target to play with and ridicule from. No thanks.
So we're just supposed to let you make factually incorrect posts without attempting to rebut them?
Re: The board: No...that's fine. Anyone can give their opinion on anything anyone else says. Its not debate that causes problems...its insults and anger.
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"libido sciendi"..... the passion to know.