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The only "Sane" Response heard


From Condoleezza Rice:

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The sanitizing is not limited to the statues or street names, it is and has been occurring in text books, a editing to 'sanitize' history and the idiots doing so need to stop.

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It's certainly is a controversial problem. I'm not sure where I stand on the issue anymore.

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I certainly agree with Condoleeza that sanitizing history is a bad thing. But she's wrong about what it is that sanitizes history. It's putting the statues in places of honor, with plaques that praise their bravery, that sanitize history.
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Odd that when a woman of color decides this is a real issue the whites on the band wagon look at her differently. We had the same response from the St. Louis Mayor elect Lyda Krewson as to the African Americans deriding her efforts to remove the Forest Park statue.
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If you mean me, Cooter, I'm not looking at Condi differently because of her stand on the statues. This is exactly what I would expect from her.
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My wife's blood nephew holds a masters in History as o a teaching accreditation, although he is NOT a teacher.

He and I have discussed this at length where "the text books issued today are so wrong as to the Civil War" as he put it. His Masters work was as to the actual causes and effects upon the southern states prior to 1859 both as to slavery and the use of Congress by the Northern states to impose sanctions against the southern states. The books are being sanitized, the actual facts of historic record being distorted to reinforce a level of context that does not follow the evidence in the National archives. This is what he was explained he would HAVE TO TEACH, he declined and left his first teaching post as he will NOT teach false or created or sanitized history. He now is a store manager for Harbor Freight. Sad days for school aged children.
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What do the textbooks say that your wife's nephew thinks is inaccurate?
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quote:

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I certainly agree with Condoleeza that sanitizing history is a bad thing. But she's wrong about what it is that sanitizes history. It's putting the statues in places of honor, with plaques that praise their bravery, that sanitize history.



I totally agree.

The "sanitizing of history" occurred decades ago.

Tell me something; Were the Confederates wrong or not? Were they wrong to work so hard to maintain slavery or not? Were they wrong to secede from the Union or not? Were they wrong to start a civil war or not?

How many Americans even today see them as heroes, freedom fighting rebels, and honorable men rather than rather than those who tore this country apart to maintain a system of inequality?

And how much of that is fueled by the thousands of statues and memorials and the flying of their flag for all these years since the war ended?

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I consider the Southern States as to having been wrong in the demand to secede, I however also fault Lincoln and the Northern states/Congress for applying said pressures to force this hand. There was turmoil at all manner of conditions, economic tariff on products from the south, undue regulation, the placing of hardship against southern farm product providers(due to slaving) was not adequate response to stop the transgressions, no one worked to change the south just to forcibly alter the ability of the states to govern and administer themselves then added financial pressures.

The Northern states found themselves outnumbered politically so placed even more hardship upon the south where they expected blanket capitulation while they received an unexpected response, secession. To thwart that they engineered the Illegal act of conspiracy against the US in that secession which under the guise of illegal promoted even heavier sanctions. Pressure applied became the wedge that fully split the nation.

Everyone here thinks in a TODAY judgmental state as to the reasoning and equality toward those days, one would have to have lived then to be able to make that judgment call adequately where none of us have. All I see is 20/20 hindsight armchair quarterbacking.

As for my and my wife's nephew I fully support his claim as well his decision to cease teaching, the text books claim is that Slavery was being forced upon the North and the states coming into the Union to the West where they placed sanctions against the South(albeit not listed as to what sanctions) to stop the trade of slaves thus the South shelled the Ft. Sumter and started the War.

The depicted photos of Sumter for reference show the destruction of that Fort by the NORTHERN Army as the war was coming to an end NOT the damage inflicted by the South.

He kept that textbook to show off the inaccuracies as well to contest the technique in sanitizing history.
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Wrong to secede but right to insist on their right to keep slaves, Cooter?

I keep wracking my brain trying to understand why the family of the African-American woman you dated didn't approve of you.
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