Hillary in the 'News' https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t2021 Runboard| Hillary in the 'News' en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 07:20:35 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 07:20:35 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25778,from=rss#post25778https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25778,from=rss#post25778quote:cooter50 wrote: She pointed out her own Achilles heel and set the works into motion by her own hand just someone else was the tool supplied to do so. Her Achilles Heel was not her emails. It was her gender. She is a woman and a lot of people in this country, including a lot of white women, found it very easy not to vote for one for president. Even when her opponent was a questionable contender like Trump. He had something going for him that she didn't have. He was a man. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:02:20 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25759,from=rss#post25759https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25759,from=rss#post25759She pointed out her own Achilles heel and set the works into motion by her own hand just someone else was the tool supplied to do so.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:12:42 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25744,from=rss#post25744https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25744,from=rss#post25744quote:Bellelettres wrote: Rigby, Comey announced that there were hundreds of thousands of e-mails on the Weiner computer, which might cause the FBI to reopen the e-mail investigation. Nobody knew what they might find there. Here's part of an article from WaPo about this: FBI Director James B. Comey told Congress last week he found “hundreds and thousands” of Hillary Clinton-related emails from Clinton aide Huma Abedin on Abedin's then-husband and former sexting congressman Anthony Weiner's computer. It turns out that's wrong. ProPublica and now The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the FBI found a much smaller number of Abedin-Clinton emails on her ex-husband's computer than “hundreds and thousands.” Besides severely damaging Comey's nonpartisan reputation, here's why the number of emails on Weiner's computer matters: It risks undercutting the FBI's entire reason for notifying Congress 11 days before the election that it had found new information regarding its criminal probe of Clinton. Top Democrats are pretty sure that letter cost them the election. So to learn that Comey's decision to send it may have rested on far fewer emails than he claims adds rocket fuel to their argument that President Trump didn't win fair and square: Comey helped him by dinging Clinton for no good reason. http://tinyurl.com/y7tdhops There is no way Comey could have known ahead of time, how many emails on Weiner's laptop were related to Hillary. In no possible way could any email have hurt Hillary if she had done nothing wrong. The existence of additional Hillary emails in itself does absolutely no harm at all. We all know they existed at one time. The fact they were no longer accessible was already something Hillary had done wrong. Finding another copy of them could not possibly have harmed Hillary unless you are sure Hillary said illegal or harmful things in those emails. If she had not, then finding copies would have been a good thing that Hillary would have been happy about, to vindicate she had done nothing wrong.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Only those knowing Hillary was hiding something would even remotely care about more email copies being retrieved.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:53:51 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25737,from=rss#post25737https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25737,from=rss#post25737That is not the case with many others and in many instances comes across differently than you describe your own views. nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:37:18 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25703,from=rss#post25703https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25703,from=rss#post25703quote:cooter50 wrote: quote:Philer wrote: quote:cooter50 wrote: Believe as you wish to perceive. I watched the interview of a Puffed up old windbag that decided stated No as if to say I made no mistakes. She caveated after her "No" so as to make it appear the lesser but it was the look on her face and that smug smile she presents a she 'Lies' that stated otherwise. You see her as you wish to see her. I don't see a "puffed up old windbag" when I look at her. Just a female candidate who tried to be elected president and encountered a lot of opposition from people who intensely disliked her for various shaky and sexist reasons. I'm not surprised that she wrote a book about losing the election because something that interesting and counter to what should have happened needs to be examined and discussed. We need to understand what happened when people are willing to put someone like Trump in office to avoid having a woman president. Much as those that view Hillary in a positive light can ONLY view her that way? The double standard among the group as to shooting at anything Trump states but taking anything Hillary states as Gospel is almost repulsive. I don't view her in only a positive light nor do I view Trump in only a negative light. People can overreact to what Trump says just like some folks overreact to what Hillary has said and done. I view Trump as potentially a bit of an improvement over George W. Bush. The problem is that he is what some people have called a "loose cannon." Also, picking someone like Pence to be his Vice-President doesn't bode well. Trump's main concern seems to be his popularity among his base rather than sound policy. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:30:50 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25695,from=rss#post25695https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25695,from=rss#post25695quote:Philer wrote: quote:cooter50 wrote: Believe as you wish to perceive. I watched the interview of a Puffed up old windbag that decided stated No as if to say I made no mistakes. She caveated after her "No" so as to make it appear the lesser but it was the look on her face and that smug smile she presents a she 'Lies' that stated otherwise. You see her as you wish to see her. I don't see a "puffed up old windbag" when I look at her. Just a female candidate who tried to be elected president and encountered a lot of opposition from people who intensely disliked her for various shaky and sexist reasons. I'm not surprised that she wrote a book about losing the election because something that interesting and counter to what should have happened needs to be examined and discussed. We need to understand what happened when people are willing to put someone like Trump in office to avoid having a woman president. Much as those that view Hillary in a positive light can ONLY view her that way? The double standard among the group as to shooting at anything Trump states but taking anything Hillary states as Gospel is almost repulsive.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:15:24 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25690,from=rss#post25690https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25690,from=rss#post25690And an exciting book it is. I've read only 10 percent of it now (kindle tells you which percent you've read), and so far it's about the details of putting a race together, which I lap up. I read several books about the 2008 and 2012 races. One was by Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod, and one ("Game Change"), about the 2012 McCain campaign, was by Helprin and Heilemann. "Game Change" was made into a movie in which Julianne Moore played Sarah Palin. Anyhow, campaign books interest me, and I wondered how I would like Hillary's book. I was a little bit afraid it would be dull, because she's not as good a writer as she is a speaker. But no fear! I want to see for myself what she actually said in the parts about why she lost, instead of the way other people interpret what she said. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:02:36 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25686,from=rss#post25686https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25686,from=rss#post25686quote:cooter50 wrote: Believe as you wish to perceive. I watched the interview of a Puffed up old windbag that decided stated No as if to say I made no mistakes. She caveated after her "No" so as to make it appear the lesser but it was the look on her face and that smug smile she presents a she 'Lies' that stated otherwise. You see her as you wish to see her. I don't see a "puffed up old windbag" when I look at her. Just a female candidate who tried to be elected president and encountered a lot of opposition from people who intensely disliked her for various shaky and sexist reasons. I'm not surprised that she wrote a book about losing the election because something that interesting and counter to what should have happened needs to be examined and discussed. We need to understand what happened when people are willing to put someone like Trump in office to avoid having a woman president. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:40:05 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25681,from=rss#post25681https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25681,from=rss#post25681I was mistaken. The FBI did not tell her to delete her personal e-mails. But her personal e-mails were not subpoenaed. The work-related e-mails were the only ones that were relevant to the investigation.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:01:27 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25663,from=rss#post25663https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25663,from=rss#post25663quote:Bellelettres wrote: She erased personal e-mails, Cooter, not e-mails having to do with State Department work. She was told to do this before she turned the e-mails over to the FBI. Belle, She is trained as a attorney, she understands or understood the articles of evidence as to written documents(even electronic) as such destroying those files PRIOR to release to the FBI while under direction to provide them is destruction of Potential Evidence and as guilty in appearance as burning your private letters in a pile in the yard. She MAY have been instructed to or she MAY have done the instructing.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:15:57 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25660,from=rss#post25660https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25660,from=rss#post25660Robbie, I had a totally different reaction to the Rachel Maddow interview. I was mesmerized from start to finish. The first 30 minutes of the 46-minute interview was spent talking about North Korea and the State Department and other aspects of what is going on. It was only in the last quarter of the interview that they talked about Hillary's book. And these were mostly not the usual questions Hillary gets. There was some discussion about the trouble women who run for office have with sexism, but it was by no means same-ole, same-ole. Rachel and Hillary are articulate women with wide minds. All through, the interview was fresh. At the beginning, Hillary looked depressed, but as they spoke, she regained some of the spark that has always made her a fascinating speaker to me. I can't imagine why anyone is ever bored by her. Maybe because the things that bore them fascinate me, such as deep intelligence in clear language. When Rachel said they would now talk about Comey, I was nervous. OK, I thought, here comes some same-ole, same-ole. Oh me of little faith! Rachel asked Hillary whether, given the way Comey handled revelations about Hillary's e-mail investigation, Hillary thought Comey would be a reliable witness in the Russian investigation. What a question! She also asked whether, if Hillary had been elected, she would have fired Comey. The interview is on YouTube here: http://tinyurl.com/yabvdvnonondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:10:26 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25658,from=rss#post25658https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25658,from=rss#post25658She erased personal e-mails, Cooter, not e-mails having to do with State Department work. She was told to do this before she turned the e-mails over to the FBI.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:08:05 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25647,from=rss#post25647https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25647,from=rss#post25647Belle, had there been 'Nothing' in her email trails to denounce why did she erase them? Why go thru the impetus to create a even larger scandal by denouncing a condition that she created by erasing those 'sensitive' mailings. If she had Nothing to hide as she notes and denoted she should never have removed the emails allowing justice department to inspect them. She failed, flat plain and simple in attempting to dissuade inspection that publicly made her appear criminal in intent.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:14:34 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25643,from=rss#post25643https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25643,from=rss#post25643Rigby, Comey announced that there were hundreds of thousands of e-mails on the Weiner computer, which might cause the FBI to reopen the e-mail investigation. Nobody knew what they might find there. Here's part of an article from WaPo about this: FBI Director James B. Comey told Congress last week he found “hundreds and thousands” of Hillary Clinton-related emails from Clinton aide Huma Abedin on Abedin's then-husband and former sexting congressman Anthony Weiner's computer. It turns out that's wrong. ProPublica and now The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the FBI found a much smaller number of Abedin-Clinton emails on her ex-husband's computer than “hundreds and thousands.” Besides severely damaging Comey's nonpartisan reputation, here's why the number of emails on Weiner's computer matters: It risks undercutting the FBI's entire reason for notifying Congress 11 days before the election that it had found new information regarding its criminal probe of Clinton. Top Democrats are pretty sure that letter cost them the election. So to learn that Comey's decision to send it may have rested on far fewer emails than he claims adds rocket fuel to their argument that President Trump didn't win fair and square: Comey helped him by dinging Clinton for no good reason. http://tinyurl.com/y7tdhops nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:37:56 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25639,from=rss#post25639https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25639,from=rss#post25639 While she may be retired from seeking public office, i think it's unrealistic to expect her to stay out of the news or politics completely. this past election year, there was a lot of propaganda. I'm finding it interesting that people can't even stand to listen to her after the election. Just goes to show you how effective the Russians propaganda machines was. nondisclosed_email@example.com (snowpixie)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:22:37 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25638,from=rss#post25638https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25638,from=rss#post25638Rachel Maddow's interview with Hillary Clinton: Secretary Clinton is on a book promotion tour. This was part of it. There's really nothing much more to say about it. Rachel asked softball questions. Hillary gave predictable answers. I'm very disappointed.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Miz Robbie)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 05:47:55 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25635,from=rss#post25635https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25635,from=rss#post25635Did Hillary ever say that invading Iraq or Afghanistan was a mistake, or that attempting regime change in Libya, Syria, Somalia, Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc. was a mistake? If she did, I don't remember it. And if not, then she clearly was the worst candidate of the century.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 03:33:11 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25633,from=rss#post25633https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25633,from=rss#post25633quote:Bellelettres wrote: Wrong, Rigby. He announced the new e-mails 11 days before the election, but said nothing was there only 2 days before the election -- 9 days to let the charge sink in, only 2 to get the word out that there was nothing there. The damage he did is indisputable. In those 9 days people who had already voted for Hillary said they would like to take their votes back. Trump was announcing that they COULD take their votes back. Don't you all remember that? Oct. 28, 2016 Comey announced that new emails had been discovered on the laptop of former New York Rep. Anthony Weiner, who was married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and that messages may be related to the Clinton probe. His announcement came 11 days before Election Day. Nov. 6, 2016 Two days before the presidential election, Comey wrote a letter to lawmakers saying that the FBI's previous decision not to recommend charges against Clinton over her emails would stand. http://tinyurl.com/yauu7gsm That is not the way I remember it. I remember it being just over a week end. But even if you are correct, who would ever have assumed the Weiner's laptop would have any thing significant, except maybe more of his dick pics? Announcing that more evidence turned up is not at all implying what the evidence contained. So I don't see how it could be damaging?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 15 Sep 2017 03:26:38 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25610,from=rss#post25610https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25610,from=rss#post25610I'll let you say it for us, Katie. You can put it much better than I can.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:57:51 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25609,from=rss#post25609https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25609,from=rss#post25609It certainly does, should we say thank you? nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:50:22 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25599,from=rss#post25599https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25599,from=rss#post25599Philer, behold Exhibit A, that confirms your last paragraph.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:24:21 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25590,from=rss#post25590https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25590,from=rss#post25590Believe as you wish to perceive. I watched the interview of a Puffed up old windbag that decided stated No as if to say I made no mistakes. She caveated after her "No" so as to make it appear the lesser but it was the look on her face and that smug smile she presents a she 'Lies' that stated otherwise.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:50:53 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25584,from=rss#post25584https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25584,from=rss#post25584quote:In her NBC interview, the reason I turned stations was she was directly asked if there was any possibility any of her actions or decisions made a difference as to her loss, her unequivocal answer "No Matt, there is no way I made mistakes". Definite Egomaniac in that answer.-cooter I listened to the portion of the NBC interview from the link you provided and Hillary did not say that. What she did was suggest that she didn't make enough mistakes to lose the election and that other factors she mentioned were what caused her to lose the election. And that is most likely true. Even if she had been one of the most inept candidates in history losing to Trump probably wouldn't have been her fault. What she actually did say is quite different from "No Matt, there is no way I made mistakes." Nor did it demonstrate any colossal ego on her part. I suspect when it comes to Hillary, a woman who attempted to be elected president, people often hear just what they want to hear and believe exactly what they want to believe about her. Whether it has any connection to reality is another matter. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:23:22 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25569,from=rss#post25569https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25569,from=rss#post25569Thanks, Gopqed.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:19:26 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25562,from=rss#post25562https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25562,from=rss#post25562quote:Clinton was asked by host Matt Lauer if she believed she made enough mistakes on her on to lose. Clinton's answer: MATT LAUER, TODAY SHOW: Fans of yours I think are looking at this book and they're saying this is a frank assessment and this is a much-needed discussion of the 2016 election. Foes of yours are probably saying, 'Oh, here she goes. She's pointing fingers, she whining.'  There is a lot of criticism in this book and in an effort of full disclosure, you criticize me pretty soundly in a few pages of this book.  When it comes to the self-inflicted wounds when you look at the list of them, when you look at the list of them, and you go through them in the book. Did you make enough mistakes yourself to lose the election without any of the other things you talk about?  HILLARY CLINTON: Well I will say no, Matt. I don't think that will surprise you. You know, also, this book has a lot of behind the scenes look at what it's like to run for president, particularly, again, as a woman. So it's not all the sad side or the disappointment that obviously came because we lost and especially somewhat bitterly because we won the popular vote so significantly. nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:43:55 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25556,from=rss#post25556https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25556,from=rss#post25556I need a written transcript since my hearing is so bad.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:57:32 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25551,from=rss#post25551https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25551,from=rss#post25551The CBS interview is available, the NBC Today show was still available as of yesterday as a recording. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-i-was-dumbfounded-when-comey-reopened-email-probe-n800901nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:42:15 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25539,from=rss#post25539https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25539,from=rss#post25539You misquoted Hillary, Cooter. She didn't say, "There is no way I made mistakes." She starts her book by saying she made mistakes. I can't find the transcript of the interview, but this is the way NBC News described what she said about this: She denied that she had made enough mistakes herself to lose last year's election. http://tinyurl.com/ybopr8sk There's a world of difference between what she said and what you said she said. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:09:49 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25536,from=rss#post25536https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25536,from=rss#post25536Could not have been poor strategies, poor choices of agents in charge of the strategies or the poor choices of the candidate as singular for all the choices made and determinations made by that candidate during the campaign? In her NBC interview, the reason I turned stations was she was directly asked if there was any possibility any of her actions or decisions made a difference as to her loss, her unequivocal answer "No Matt, there is no way I made mistakes". Definite Egomaniac in that answer. In her Sunday interview she commented as to endemic conditions within society she also spoke in a poorly defined aspect of general population as well blaming unproved Russian influence, Comey's influence and DT's 'Stalking Her' during the debate that she had every chance to malign had she felt so strongly about that at that time. Just more blame gaming. No responsibility for any actions or decisions all someone else's fault, ALWAYS.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:51:05 +0000 Re: Hillary in the 'News'https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25520,from=rss#post25520https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p25520,from=rss#post25520Wrong, Rigby. He announced the new e-mails 11 days before the election, but said nothing was there only 2 days before the election -- 9 days to let the charge sink in, only 2 to get the word out that there was nothing there. The damage he did is indisputable. In those 9 days people who had already voted for Hillary said they would like to take their votes back. Trump was announcing that they COULD take their votes back. Don't you all remember that? Oct. 28, 2016 Comey announced that new emails had been discovered on the laptop of former New York Rep. Anthony Weiner, who was married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and that messages may be related to the Clinton probe. His announcement came 11 days before Election Day. Nov. 6, 2016 Two days before the presidential election, Comey wrote a letter to lawmakers saying that the FBI's previous decision not to recommend charges against Clinton over her emails would stand. http://tinyurl.com/yauu7gsm nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bellelettres)Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:37:43 +0000