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Supposedly he's been identified as a Somalian refugee. He has apparently professed his Muslim faith in the past.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/11/osu-attacker-identified-as-somali-refugee-abdul-razak-ali-artan/

Thing is, if this had been a "white Christian" guy I'm sure the press would simply have been referring to him as mentally ill. Instead you can expect to see the label Muslim terrorist bandied about.
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Who knows the motivation (if motivation is the word) for this atrocity. Simply madness? Did he have a point to make?

I know this will piss off Americans but is it just a sign of a very sick society?



No Yobbo you no longer piss me of. I now recognize your anti-American rankings for what they are - the blind hatred of a person whose view of America is based totally on negative personal experiences either real or perceieved. Consequently I now find you a bit annoying at times - somewhat like gnats at a picnic lunch, a bit annoying. But hardly worth expending any personal energy and emotion on.

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You do not have to be mentally ill to want to kill people, perfectly sane people attack total strangers all the time - this is almost certainly not a mental health issue.



Being angry enough to want to kill strangers does not necessarily mean a person is mentally ill, but it can still be a mental health issue.
With public mental health services available, maybe someone could have helped him find solutions to his problems or work on anger management issues so that he could manage his life better. Mass murder/suicide is something that can always be avoided with the right connections at the right time.

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Hawk, most of my family were killed by a coup organised by Americans and fascists, I was tortured by three Americans and when I went to America I was frequently treated as a criminal by the cops. My crime, being a native American, albeit a South American native.

Yes, it is irrational but I find it hard to like many Americans.
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Being angry enough to want to kill strangers does not necessarily mean a person is mentally ill, but it can still be a mental health issue.



Since it would be perverse to punish someone for being ill it would follow that you dont agree with punishment for many, most or all mass murderers

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Yet is not incarceration within a mental hospital punishment? Anything at all done for or to a mentally unstable person registers with them as punishment according to a co-worker that had worked at the Fulton MO State Mental Health Hospital. Should they have uncontrolled or uncontrollable urges to kill they are generally separated from the rank and file of other patients, in prison would it not be benefit to them to release them from the pain that dwells in their minds and drives their intentions?
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Yet is not incarceration within a mental hospital punishment



No, it would be treatment and once treated and stablized there would be no longer any need for the former patient to be there.

remember that this isnt my argument - its rigby's.

I support treatment and release of the genuinely ill I (unlike Rigby) just dont think that all mass murderers are ill.

Few murderers have uncontrollable urges to kill the proof of this is the time they spend planning the murder, the effort made preparing for it you would at once act on an uncontrollable urge - you wouldnt spend days or even hours planning it - if you did you would have to control the uncontrollable urge whilst doing the planning!

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There have been documented cases of lack of conscience in humans, a willful ability to inflict pain or death upon another without remorse.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder
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Those with anti-social personalities or socio/psycho paths tend to be serial killers with multi other disorders, like Ted Bundy, Jefferey Dahmer, Aileen Wuornos and Manson or murder like Jodi Arias when they don't get their way, the worst of the worst and little is known about the mental disorder, other than it is classed as nature/nuture, there is no cure and little help. Statistics state that 5% of our population is anti-social and 5% of those are violent.
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Being angry enough to want to kill strangers does not necessarily mean a person is mentally ill, but it can still be a mental health issue.



Since it would be perverse to punish someone for being ill it would follow that you dont agree with punishment for many, most or all mass murderers



Yes I agree that punishment is inappropriate for someone who did not act willingly for gain. Those who act emotionally, there should instead be attempts to rehabilitate. If that is not possible, you might have to incarcerate forever, but not as punishment. Punishment is just an attempt to make a deed more expensive, for those who acted for gain.

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