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Who is responsible?


Who is responsible?

CNN) -- A 36-year-old man goes out with some friends. They hit a handful of bars. The 36-year-old has some drinks. At the end of the night last May, as the last bar closes, he decides to slide down the railing of the stairs heading out. He loses his balance and falls backward.

Four stories. He dies from a skull fracture. His blood alcohol level was .25, more than four times the DUI threshold.

Who's responsible?

Before you answer that, last April, a man goes out drinking with friends to celebrate his 21st birthday. He ends the night at the same bar the 36-year-old ended his last night at. As life would have it, he, too, decided to slide down the railing. He, too, lost his balance. He, too, fell back four stories. The death certificate stated "acute ethanol intoxication" played a role in his death.

In 2009 another partying 21-year-old fell to his death in that same stairwell. Now who do you think is to blame, the bar or the patron? The stairwell was up to code. The Michigan Liquor Control Commission is going after the bar.

Last week at a state hearing, officials recommended suspending the liquor license for 10 days for the Grand Rapids, Michigan, four-story, 70,000-square-foot multi-venue entertainment hub affectionately known as The [sign in to see URL]. (short for Big Old Building). The punishment is for what officials believe is a culture of over-serving customers, which the bar says it has taken steps to avoid.

After the 36-year-old's death, many in the area went online to point an angry cyberfinger at the bar's owner for not making it safer for drunk people to slide down railings 40 feet in the air.

Anyone who questioned the decision of the deceased was deemed insensitive.

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{You would think after one death the bar would have done something to prevent this from happening again. Even a sign saying a person had tried to slide down the railing and was killed might have stopped the next guy from repeating this mistake. Wouldn't this have been a prudent business decision? If the bar was pushing drinks and allowing patrons to get smashed in their premises wouldn't they be legally responsible for these deaths?

On the other hand if people want to get smashed and engage in life-risking activities in a bar are they not responsible for their own actions? Do you lose your obligation to be personally responsible simply because you are drunk? If a drunk girl got raped in the [sign in to see URL] is responsible for that? Does the girl get a free ride as far as responsibility goes because of intoxication? This case makes me wonder when personal responsibility ends and businesses and corporations become responsible? What do you think of it all?}

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2/22/2014, 10:18 pm Link to this post PM Noserose
 
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When, some time ago I used to go out drinking, I made dam sure I could "A" find my way home, and "B" be able to walk.
No time for those who drink more then they can handle.
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W2,

Sten Morton went out for a wild night of drinking. And when the bars closed, he went to a private party, where even more ethanol was consumed.

Sten doesn't remember much after that.
But when he woke up the next morning, he found himself in bed with a repulsive, malodorous woman.

That's when he realized he'd made it home safely.

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