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So being motivated to set cars on fire, trash cans, destroying small struggling businesses and hurting strange persons on the street by word and deed is a motivation you hook your star to? "Confused as to details," nah mostly just assholes.
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GOP asks: "Rigby, do you have any limits as to the extent of the violence you support? You've already declared your support for terrorism and the events of 9/11. So would you stop at flying an airplane full of people into a building full of people? Or shooting a random individual on the street? Or would you be ok with chopping off a random individual's head with a machete?

What violence is ok, and what isn't?"

[As far as I am concerned violence ends after a pie in the face or a well aimed snowball.]

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Rigby, do you have any limits as to the extent of the violence you support? You've already declared your support for terrorism and the events of 9/11. So would you stop at flying an airplane full of people into a building full of people? Or shooting a random individual on the street? Or would you be ok with chopping off a random individual's head with a machete?

What violence is ok, and what isn't?



When one is faced with immoral violations of basic human rights, such as imperialism and colonialism in the Mideast, Desert Storm, Shock and Awe, etc., there really is no limit.
Anything is ok.
I don't promote or suggest unnecessary violence because it usually does not help one's cause, status, appearance, negotiating ability, etc.
But it is certainly understandable and justifiable if others feel compelled.
The things we are doing are beyond the pale.
There is no excuse and they things we are doing are so barbaric that we forfeit any human consideration.
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GOP asks: "Rigby, do you have any limits as to the extent of the violence you support? You've already declared your support for terrorism and the events of 9/11. So would you stop at flying an airplane full of people into a building full of people? Or shooting a random individual on the street? Or would you be ok with chopping off a random individual's head with a machete?

What violence is ok, and what isn't?"

[As far as I am concerned violence ends after a pie in the face or a well aimed snowball.]




Sorry, but that is avoiding your responsibility.
For example, with 2 million Vietnamese being murdered, we really had to do something.
The killing went on from 1954 to 1975.
Everyone could have done more and stopped it much sooner.
It was never right.
It should never have happened.

 Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

We don't have the luxury of pies or snowballs.
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So being motivated to set cars on fire, trash cans, destroying small struggling businesses and hurting strange persons on the street by word and deed is a motivation you hook your star to? "Confused as to details," nah mostly just assholes.



I think they likely have good instincts.
I see police being abusive all the time, mostly towards certain races or immigrants.
I see the whole landlord tenant thing as totally corrupt and manipulated by banks, tax laws, etc.
I see tuition, jobs, and opportunities being denied, discriminated against, etc.

Things really are pretty god awful, and I think we need a whole lot more acting out and street violence before anything is going to get any better. Public health care at the very least.
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It also may be a shock to you, John, but what some of these folks say on occasion isn't false. When they criticize Islam for example there may be a bit of truth in that.

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Regardless of the fact I agree there are things about Islam that should be criticized, now is not the time to do it.
The Mideast is being colonized by imperial powers, and Islam is the only means by which they can unify a defense.
Being critical of Islam now is like being critical of Judaism during the Holocaust.
While there are many more things one can criticize in Judaism than Islam, you don't criticize either when they are being attacked and massacred illegally.
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They also write books and people read them. You can't silence them by stopping them from speaking at universities. Or shouting them down at universities. It just makes liberals at those universities look bad.

It also may be a shock to you, John, but what some of these folks say on occasion isn't false. When they criticize Islam for example there may be a bit of truth in that.

Both liberals and conservatives need to work on finding common ground which actually makes sense. Just refusing to listen to other opinions and branding them inflammatory or completely off limits is not the way to do that.

I realize that conservatives may be less willing to listen to the other side than liberals but neither side should be refusing to listen to what the other side has to say. When it's bullshit that needs to be pointed out and not simply branded as racism or bigotry etc.

Keep in mind that disagreeing with people and arguing against what they have to say is not validating them or what they are claiming to be true. One of the problems in our mass media is its high tolerance for bullshit in the name of avoiding biased reporting. College students don't have to engage in that sort of nonsense.

For that matter neither does the mass media. It has helped to create the wide political chasm we see now by helping to fertilize a lot of the political nonsense that has taken root in this country. It's almost as if it has been carefully cultivating it rather than treating it as destructive weeds in the garden.



The problem isn't simply listening to the other side.

There are some people that - after enough time of listening to them - are not worth listening to anymore.

There's a "bit of truth" in a lot of things. There's a bit of truth in saying that Muslims are terrorists, which leads to hatred of all Muslims.

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Odd that the immediate calls of the Left are to exaggerate Trumps Comments, at SOME POINT the US Military and FEMA HAVE TO leave, and leave it to the Puerto Rican Nation to restore as it can. As a source our supply of manpower is limited to FIRST RESPONSE, full remediation is NOT EVER considered part of the equation where the local institutions are expected to pick up after themselves and move on. We do not rebuild power stations, water treatment plants or even bridges and roads, we make TEMPORARY repairs so life can move on and the region can finish rebuilding after all is back to SOME semblance of order.

As to the crying wolf crap, the Mayor of San Juan can find time and money as well personnel to have T-shirts printed where the hell is her aspect of putting feet on the ground and a shoulder to the load? Whining about not getting everything for nothing is NOT a part of the process. Geraldo Rivera noted as such in his own reports.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/geraldo-from-puerto-rico-nyt-hatred-of-trump-allows-reckless-lies/
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They also write books and people read them. You can't silence them by stopping them from speaking at universities. Or shouting them down at universities. It just makes liberals at those universities look bad.

It also may be a shock to you, John, but what some of these folks say on occasion isn't false. When they criticize Islam for example there may be a bit of truth in that.

Both liberals and conservatives need to work on finding common ground which actually makes sense. Just refusing to listen to other opinions and branding them inflammatory or completely off limits is not the way to do that.

I realize that conservatives may be less willing to listen to the other side than liberals but neither side should be refusing to listen to what the other side has to say. When it's bullshit that needs to be pointed out and not simply branded as racism or bigotry etc.

Keep in mind that disagreeing with people and arguing against what they have to say is not validating them or what they are claiming to be true. One of the problems in our mass media is its high tolerance for bullshit in the name of avoiding biased reporting. College students don't have to engage in that sort of nonsense.

For that matter neither does the mass media. It has helped to create the wide political chasm we see now by helping to fertilize a lot of the political nonsense that has taken root in this country. It's almost as if it has been carefully cultivating it rather than treating it as destructive weeds in the garden.



The problem isn't simply listening to the other side.

There are some people that - after enough time of listening to them - are not worth listening to anymore.

There's a "bit of truth" in a lot of things. There's a bit of truth in saying that Muslims are terrorists, which leads to hatred of all Muslims.



Then don't listen to them. Nobody is forcing anybody to listen to anybody. Present counter arguments - expose the nonsense if you believe it to be nonsense. But if you deny someone the ability to express their views, you must expect it will happen to you.

The ridiculous notion expressed by Rigby and others that violence and silencing of those who express ideas different from yours are justified will ultimately result in tyranny.
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Rigby, do you have any limits as to the extent of the violence you support? You've already declared your support for terrorism and the events of 9/11. So would you stop at flying an airplane full of people into a building full of people? Or shooting a random individual on the street? Or would you be ok with chopping off a random individual's head with a machete?

What violence is ok, and what isn't?



When one is faced with immoral violations of basic human rights, such as imperialism and colonialism in the Mideast, Desert Storm, Shock and Awe, etc., there really is no limit.
Anything is ok.
I don't promote or suggest unnecessary violence because it usually does not help one's cause, status, appearance, negotiating ability, etc.
But it is certainly understandable and justifiable if others feel compelled.
The things we are doing are beyond the pale.
There is no excuse and they things we are doing are so barbaric that we forfeit any human consideration.



Spoken like a true scum of the earth terrorist.
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