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The Oath:

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty 'to God' and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight
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Thus the 'Reverance' within the spirit of Boy Scouts. You cannot state the oath as written or do so as an atheist and you have already lied being less than 'Trustworthy'.

Failure to recite as written and you did no one any favors including yourself. The Scouts WERE at one time a comradery of souls learning to overcome as a team not as a single and to work together for a common goal. It has lost that aspect where with more changes fails to remain any semblance of what I enjoyed as a youth.
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Thus the 'Reverance' within the spirit of Boy Scouts. You cannot state the oath as written or do so as an atheist and you have already lied being less than 'Trustworthy'.

Failure to recite as written and you did no one any favors including yourself. The Scouts WERE at one time a comradery of souls learning to overcome as a team not as a single and to work together for a common goal. It has lost that aspect where with more changes fails to remain any semblance of what I enjoyed as a youth.



And, has already been pointed out, the Boy Scouts now accepts girls but not atheists.

Fact is, the boy scouts have evolved over time but still have a ways to go.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boy-scouts-evolution-2017-story.html
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They evolve further the further away from what they started as and the values to which those that earned badges of their times where the structure is become valueless.
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If anything, as it becomes more accepting, the structure becomes more valuable. The days when open bigotry was acceptable are behind us (or at least were until Trump took office).

As for the inclusion of "God" in the oath, while that's an unfortunate historical fact, it's something that should go the way of the dinosaur. Fact is the majority of Americans no longer believe that you need god to be good. Moreover the majority of the British public are of the opinion that religion does more harm that good (fitting since Lord Baden Powell was a British army officer).

And since not quite 30% of the American public are atheists that part of the oath is becoming more meaningless (and less representative) all the time. [As an observation, that 30% refers to all Americans - the percentage of young people is significantly higher.]
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Nothing is ever All Encompassing 'Acceptable to Everyone'. Misconceived preconception of absolute perfection. A liberal ideology.
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Nothing is ever All Encompassing 'Acceptable to Everyone'. Misconceived preconception of absolute perfection. A liberal ideology.




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PT Barnum said it most succinctly, a Sucker Born every Minute. As well the common statement 'You can please(some place fool here) some of the people most of the time, most of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time'.
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PT Barnum said it most succinctly, a Sucker Born every Minute.



Are you suggesting that those are the people that buy into the old discriminatory policies that are gradually being eroded?

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Nothing is ever All Encompassing 'Acceptable to Everyone'. Misconceived preconception of absolute perfection. A liberal ideology.



So you're saying that discriminatory policies and outright bigotry are good things?
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