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Not in the slightest bit of YOUR imagination. You take a great deal of pride in throwing that Card do you not?

The group has been based as they have for over 100 years, the Oath has not been adjusted so a Atheist even as would be allowed into the group would have to recite the Oath and in doing so either agrees there is God or has lied before all the others in the group by believing there is no God. Cannot have both.

Petition the Scouts to have that "Offensive" statement removed so ALL may partake of the Scouting Event and you not only destroy what it has stood for but would see most likely the end of the entity in total benefiting NO ONE but the arguer.
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Not in the slightest bit of YOUR imagination. You take a great deal of pride in throwing that Card do you not?



So you're claiming that the BSA's aren't discriminating when they won't admit atheists?

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The group has been based as they have for over 100 years,


  
One of the classical logical fallacies is called an "argument from antiquity" which basically says that since something has been around for a long time it must be right/good. That's hardly true.

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...the Oath has not been adjusted so a Atheist even as would be allowed into the group would have to recite the Oath and in doing so either agrees there is God or has lied before all the others in the group by believing there is no God. Cannot have both.



For the record you don't seem to know what an atheist is - by definition, an atheist is someone that does not believe that god (any god) exists (that is very different from believing that there is no god). If you want to be formal, an "agnostic atheist" is someone that does not believe that god exists while a "gnostic atheist" is someone that believes that god does not exist. The words "agnostic" and "gnostic" come from the Greek for knowledge. [By the same token, a theist is someone that believes that god exists and they can be subdivided into agnostic and gnostic theists.]

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Petition the Scouts to have that "Offensive" statement removed so ALL may partake of the Scouting Event and you not only destroy what it has stood for but would see most likely the end of the entity in total benefiting NO ONE but the arguer.



How exactly would this destroy what the Scouts stand for? After all, while they refuse admission to atheists they don't present themselves as a religious organization and I can't see how dropping a reference to "God" is going to damage them. After all, they've survived allowing gays to become scouts and scoutmasters, the admission of transgendered boys, and now the acceptance of girls. Fact is, I'd expect amending the oath would have even less effect.

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Most theists believe that all gods bar theirs do not exist. This makes them selective atheists.

Atheists differ by one god.
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" Hard to be reverent if an Atheist. "

Not really, as in :
President Trump demands loyalty and reverence to him, even as he he disrespects the office of POTUS, himself.
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How to become an atheist in three easy steps:

1 - pick any god other than your own - Zeus, Mithra, Odin, doesn't matter, as long as you don't believe that he exists

2 - list the reasons you don't believe in that god

3 - apply those reasons to your own god

Done
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Atheism, the disbelief or lack of belief in any God or Gods.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism

Change the Oath and you have removed the basic context of the organization, thus the basis organization ceases to exist.
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Atheism, the disbelief or lack of belief in any God or Gods.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism



Which is very different from believing that god doesn't exist.

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Change the Oath and you have removed the basic context of the organization, thus the basis organization ceases to exist.



So you're claiming that the Scouts are a religious organization and it exists for the sole purpose of pushing a belief in "God"?

I'm sure most scouts would be amazed (amused?) to find that everything the scouting movement stands for would cease to exist if references to God were removed from the oath. And I'm sure that Lord Baden Powell would be equally surprised.

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Nope, did NOT state that either, but as to a morality based association belief in a or ANY God is a purpose of binding a group and they use that in the scouts. We had Hindu in our Scouts Troop in 1969, so long as they had a religious belief Welcome. Atheism has no such belief so how can they have Morality as Morals are based on religious pretext?
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...Atheism has no such belief so how can they have Morality as Morals are based on religious pretext?



That is absolute fcuking nonsense and has to rank among one of the dumbest claims that theists want to fall back on.

The moral codes that are found in various religion were imported from the society around them, not the other way around.

If the only reason that someone is behaving morally is because of a concern about a punishment or reward in some sort of afterlife they're not a moral person to begin with.

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BTW, the word "God" with an upper case "G" is a name and, given the history of the scouting movement, it was clearly intended to refer to the Christian god. So how can someone with different religious beliefs repeat the oath without either lying or modifying it by substituting the name of their own god (or by just not repeating that particular line)

BTW - the latter approach (simply not saying the words "under god") is one way that atheists have of addressing the Pledge of Allegiance. Suppose you could argue that's different because by dropping those two words all they're doing is reverting to the original oath (the word "under god" were added in 1954)
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