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How does this
" The group has been based as they have for over 100 years" ... not allowing atheists
... reconcile with the Scout law:
 "To do my duty to ... my country" ?

... in a Nation with freedom of (and from) religion ?

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Hinduism doesn't have an all powerful god.
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And the Boy Scouts Program Association is STILL a private entity. Private as to rules and allowances.
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So are they too big to fail ?
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And the Boy Scouts Program Association is STILL a private entity. Private as to rules and allowances.



In other words, they are legally allowed to discriminate. And fact is that has been upheld by the courts. Doesn't make it right. Just makes it legal.

The legal issue arises when the subject turns the use of public facilities (lands etc).

But cooter - I notice you're still avoiding the question I raised earlier. How would eliminating the reference to "God" in the oath eliminate everything that the scouts stand for?

 
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Do not meet standards by design, not allowed into a private association. Can you arbitrarily join a engineering Association? A Physicians? Are they discriminating against you as you have not the 'qualifications'?

Make up as much crap as you can still a private ASSOCIATION and as such have their own rules.
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True - and the courts have upheld their right to discriminate - as I said, that makes it legal. It doesn't make it right. And it doesn't mean it makes any sense - after all, the various discriminatory (and bigoted) rules of the past are gradually being eliminated as the BSA begins to realize that they're no longer operating in the 1920's (or even the 1950's).

Having said that, their right to discriminate still leaves the question of the use of government facilities (including lands) unanswered.

But you still haven't explained why eliminating the word "God" from the oath would destroy everything the scouting movement is based on.

And, as has been previously pointed out, any "religious person" that swore that oath without believing in the Christian god was lying.

And your example of an Engineering or Physicians' association isn't valid - anyone can join those organizations providing that they're willing to obtain the relevant professional qualification.

Those qualifications are within the individual's control. Things like sex, gender, sexual orientation and even religious beliefs are not.
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But cooter - I notice you're still avoiding the question I raised earlier. How would eliminating the reference to "God" in the oath eliminate everything that the scouts stand for?



Still waiting.
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And waiting.
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To myself that took the Oath to heart, considered it a gracious action to attest my belief in A god and not JUST a Christian God. We hade as noted a Hindu, also a Jewish and a Greek Orthodox, all believe in their own way but in a REVERANT way and swore that same oath.

A Atheist believes as NOTED in NO God, he decides to Not state to God his or now her choice so demeans all those prior that did. The Scouts I knew is over, Explorer Scouts is already gone, 'Boy' Scouts is almost there so yes I believe elimination of the terminology removes the value to the organization.

My Opinion, you can believe whatever you wish but to make the world 'All open to ALL people regardless of any consideration to 'Appease' ALL is as worthless as it gets as does No One any value just is.
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