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Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/levis-ceo-pens-open-letter-to-patrons-leave-your-guns-at-home-214906712.html
Levi’s CEO pens open letter to patrons: Leave your guns at home
"Levi’s has a simple request: Come for the jeans, but leave the heat at home. Levi Strauss CEO Chip Bergh released an open letter Wednesday requesting that gun owners do not bring their firearms into any of their stores when shopping for jeans."
[Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Businesses taking a stand on guns. Its a gutsy move by the CEO of the jeans company and I applaud them. Others will damn them but that's democracy. People have to take a stand if the bloody reign of guns and the NRA will ever be properly regulated.]
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Re: Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
encouraging as this is its basically meaningless unles they are prepared to enforce it and turn people away at the door.
the pro gun lobby constantly go on about "no gun zones" but in reality I doubt that many actually exist, putting a sign on the door does not a gun free zone make
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quote: mais oui wrote:
the pro gun lobby constantly go on about "no gun zones" but in reality I doubt that many actually exist, putting a sign on the door does not a gun free zone make
True - with few exceptions, every mass shooting with more than two victims occurred in no gun zones. Fact is, that's one of the arguments the pro-gun lobby uses "See, if someone had been packing they could have taken the shooter down before he shot all those people"
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Re: Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
quote: Noserose wrote:
Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/levis-ceo-pens-open-letter-to-patrons-leave-your-guns-at-home-214906712.html
Levi’s CEO pens open letter to patrons: Leave your guns at home
"Levi’s has a simple request: Come for the jeans, but leave the heat at home. Levi Strauss CEO Chip Bergh released an open letter Wednesday requesting that gun owners do not bring their firearms into any of their stores when shopping for jeans."
[Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Businesses taking a stand on guns. Its a gutsy move by the CEO of the jeans company and I applaud them. Others will damn them but that's democracy. People have to take a stand if the bloody reign of guns and the NRA will ever be properly regulated.]
Others have tried it before, and it has always failed.
It is not just that it is irrational and intrusive, but that it simply forces customers away.
The off-duty cop is required to carry all the time. The person who handles cash or runs a risky 7/11 is required to carry all the time.
The night duty nurse is required to carry all the time.
Far too many people are required to carry all the time for a business to be able to do this and not suffer great financial repercussions.
It is not like they can just leave their carry weapon in the car when they need to go shopping.
The reality is the world is dangerous, and it is those who do not have the means to defend themselves and others that are destroying it by attempting to instead make this a police state.
They are irresponsible because each individual should be defending themselves.
If you refuse to defense yourself, then police will try, but that will make the world far more dangerous because police can't defend you at all, so will just end up becoming an incredibly powerful and intrusive force for evil in our society.
It is police we should be trying to get rid of, not armed honest citizens.
This is totally backwards and can only destroy all aspects of society that are desirable.
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"The reality is the world is dangerous"
And guns simply make it more dangerous.
--- “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.” - NRA president Karl T. Frederick, 1938
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quote: with few exceptions, every mass shooting with more than two victims occurred in no gun zones
actually Im not sure that that is accurate - even if you accept the nonsense that merely putting a sign on the door makes a premise a "gun free zone"
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Oregon has had several mass shootings, all in gun free zones, no one replied, the closet it came was at Clackamas Mall shooting, a mall that is over a million square feet and holds over 10,000 people, one person claimed to have a gun but couldn't get a clear shot. I think gun owners do pay attention to no gun zone unless you are a criminal, I have never heard a report of anyone firing or taking down a mass shooter other than the cops.
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quote: katie5445 wrote:
Oregon has had several mass shootings, all in gun free zones, no one replied, the closet it came was at Clackamas Mall shooting, a mall that is over a million square feet and holds over 10,000 people, one person claimed to have a gun but couldn't get a clear shot. I think gun owners do pay attention to no gun zone unless you are a criminal, I have never heard a report of anyone firing or taking down a mass shooter other than the cops.
That is the problem. Criminals don't pay attention to "gun free zones" so you've esentially created the kind of situation that the NRA talks about. One where only the criminals have the guns.
This society needs to make up its political mind one way or the other. Either guns are a good thing that people can use for self-defense that people should be encouraged to carry everywhere, including women, or they are a bad thing which need to be greatly restricted to law abiding citizens through all sorts of strict regulations. Licensing, registering, universal background checks etc.
The half-assed way it is currently dealing with the problem of guns in the hands of criminals isn't working.
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There is a solution I don't mind, hire an off duty cop or cops, hire an ex-cop, hire an ex vet(plenty need work)hire one skilled in weapons, malls, multi-plex, cinemas, schools can afford it, especially colleges, they can pinch the millions upon millions they spend for sports.
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Re: Levi's CEO: Buy our jeans but leave your guns at home.
OK Im not going to put a great deal of effort into this but here are the last 10 mass shootings (as defined by the FBI)
Clearlake Oaks, California
A shooting on an Indian reservation (not a gun free zone)
Stop 1 convenience store, Baltimore, Maryland (local store not a gun free zone)
H-E-B grocery store, Mission (Palmview), Texas (back room of store doesnt appear to be a gun free zone)
Wilmington, California (house party not a gun free zone)
San Pedro, California (few details but seems to have occured in public street - not a gun free zone)
New Orleans, Louisiana (public street - not a gun free zone)
Shawnee Park Louisville, Kentucky (public park - not a gun free zone)
Magnolia and Felicity Street,New Orleans (public street not a gun free zone)
South Exchange Avenue, Chicago (house part not a gun free zone)
Harlem Academy Avenue Clewiston, Floridaapartment complex.(not a gun free
zone)
Olive Branch, Mississippi (domestic incident not a gun free zone)
ROCKS Nightclub Albany (shooting at a night club POSSIBLY a gun free zone - cant confirm status)
so 10 mass shootings only one has a likelyhood of being a gun free zone
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