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The disappearance of white Christian America:

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[A short video [with subtitles for the hearing impaired] explaining how white Christians are trying to come to terms with being a minority in America.]

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Interesting video ... continuing on that topic ....

White Christians are now a minority — but they’re getting more isolated and less tolerant
Religious homophobia is driving away young people, but evangelical leaders double down on anti-LGBT bigotry


Last week, the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) put out a new report on religion in America that measured a truly remarkable shift: For the first time, almost certainly in the country’s history, people who identify as white Christians are a minority of Americans. Four out of every five Americans were self-described white Christians in 1976, but now that group only constitutes 43 percent of the U.S. population.

There are a lot of reasons for this shift ...

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Would the atheists posting here like to see Christianity disappear completely from America except as something talked about on trips to museums and in history books?

As well as all other religions, not just Christianity?
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Would the atheists posting here like to see Christianity disappear completely from America except as something talked about on trips to museums and in history books?

As well as all other religions, not just Christianity?



It would indicate improved intelligence.
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Would the atheists posting here like to see Christianity disappear completely from America except as something talked about on trips to museums and in history books?

As well as all other religions, not just Christianity?



It would indicate improved intelligence.



No, it wouldn't indicate that. Intelligent people can believe in all sorts of things that aren't necessarily true or good. Look at all the intelligent Americans who believe that our jury system works well. Then there's intelligent Americans who believe in the "war on drugs."

What people believe in is not contingent on their intelligence.

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If they are intelligent then they aren't thinking logically which rather questions their intelligent. Very circular discussion.
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If they are intelligent then they aren't thinking logically which rather questions their intelligent. Very circular discussion.



It would be a circular discussion if we weren't talking about two different things. Intelligence and one's use of logic are not at all the same thing.

If human beings could rely on their intelligence then the world would be a very different place than what it is. Certainly it would be one with fewer problems caused by humans.

Even people with very high IQ scores on the genius or near genius level can do things that go against logic. For example, some of our worst self-destructive criminals have had a high level of intelligence.
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Religion increasingly seen as doing more harm than good in Canada: Ipsos poll

Just over half of Canadian respondents say they believe religion does more harm than good in the world, according to a new survey.

The Ipsos poll, conducted for Global News, showed that 51 per cent of respondents agreed with the above statement.

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Australians are among the most skeptical people in the world when it comes to religion.

That's the finding from an international survey of 17,400 people in 23 countries which found most Aussies believe religion does more harm than good.

Belgians were the most likely to think the bad outweighs the good when it comes to religion (68 per cent), with almost two thirds of Australians, Germans and Spaniards sharing that sentiment, the Ipsos Global dvisor survey released on Thursday showed.

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Most British people think religion causes more harm than good according to a survey commissioned by the Huffington Post.

Surprisingly, even among those who describe themselves as “very religious” 20 percent say that religion is harmful to society. For that we can probably thank the internet, which broadcasts everything from Isis beheadings, to stories about Catholic hospitals denying care to miscarrying women, to lists ofwild and weird religious beliefs, to articles about psychological harms from Bible-believing Christianity.

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Einstein said intelligent is far less important than imagination.

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Fundamentalism, racism, fear and propaganda: An insider explains why rural, Christian white America will never change

As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is still being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides: “Democrats failed to understand white, working-class, fly-over America.”

Trump supporters are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshit. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

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Rural America won't change until they willingly leave the 19th century. Things would be even better if they left the 20th behind and joined the world.

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Fundamentalism, racism, fear and propaganda: An insider explains why rural, Christian white America will never change

As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is still being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides: “Democrats failed to understand white, working-class, fly-over America.”

Trump supporters are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshit. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

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Interesting article and I agree that the primary problem was not any lack of understanding on the part of Hillary or other democrats. I doubt that there was much she could have done to appeal to the kind of conservatives whom I know as friends.

But the author failed to mention the one thing that is probably the biggest problem for democratic candidates like Hillary(other than sexism in her case). That is their pro-choice stance.

There are an enormous number of conservatives who are staunchly opposed to abortion and not all of them are fundamentalists. If we truly want to unite this country politically or move it in that direction that issue is probably the first one on the list that needs to be resolved to remove the fundamental political division in this country. Some people will easily vote against their own political interests in order to support "pro-life" candidates. That moral issue has the power to trump(no pun intended) economic issues and other issues of interest to conservatives in both rural and non-rural areas.

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The opposition of Hillary by republicans was expected, what wasn't expected was Bernie Sanders and it did make a huge divide by democrats. I would say yes, atheists would love to see all religions disappear.
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The opposition of Hillary by republicans was expected, what wasn't expected was Bernie Sanders and it did make a huge divide by democrats. I would say yes, atheists would love to see all religions disappear.



The Bernie Sanders problem for Hillary wasn't a surprising development. Some progressives are never satisfied with a more mainstream democratic candidate. Author Gore Vidal used to often make the claim publicly that there wasn't any significant difference between democratic and republican candidates even though there always was.

I still believe that Hillary's biggest problem was sexism. When you have 52 percent of white women voting for Trump what else could the primary problem be? Trump was much farther removed from being like Bernie Sanders than Hillary.
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Dismiss Trump, women also made a choice between Sanders and Clinton.
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Dismiss Trump, women also made a choice between Sanders and Clinton.



Good point. Sexism is a general problem that crosses political lines.
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The opposition of Hillary by republicans was expected, what wasn't expected was Bernie Sanders and it did make a huge divide by democrats. I would say yes, atheists would love to see all religions disappear.



Religion is a waste of people's energy.
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The opposition of Hillary by republicans was expected, what wasn't expected was Bernie Sanders and it did make a huge divide by democrats. I would say yes, atheists would love to see all religions disappear.



Religion is a waste of people's energy.



Bad religions are much more than just a waste of peoples' time and energy. They lay waste to their minds.
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The opposition of Hillary by republicans was expected, what wasn't expected was Bernie Sanders and it did make a huge divide by democrats. I would say yes, atheists would love to see all religions disappear.



The Bernie Sanders problem for Hillary wasn't a surprising development. Some progressives are never satisfied with a more mainstream democratic candidate. Author Gore Vidal used to often make the claim publicly that there wasn't any significant difference between democratic and republican candidates even though there always was.

I still believe that Hillary's biggest problem was sexism. When you have 52 percent of white women voting for Trump what else could the primary problem be? Trump was much farther removed from being like Bernie Sanders than Hillary.



it was sexism. I had someone from another board tell me she voted for Trump because she couldn't stand to have a sexual predator in the white house (MEANING BILL). The undying obsession with trying to hold Hillary accountable for her husband's behavior even 20 years later is really all you need to know about sexism in America.

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Bad religions are much more than just a waste of peoples' time and energy. They lay waste to their minds.



All religions do that.
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I am a white Christian. Although most on the far right would consider me only marginally Christian.. but in any event, I’m not going to disapeer or go away. And that probably annoys both the atheists and the evangelicals.

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Bad religions are much more than just a waste of peoples' time and energy. They lay waste to their minds.



All religions do that.



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