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Voter ID laws may decide Alabama race


The Alabama Senate Race May Have Already Been Decided

By SCOTT DOUGLASDEC. 11, 2017

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — The Senate election in Alabama on Tuesday is not just about the choice between Doug Jones and Roy Moore. It’s also about a voter suppression campaign that may well sway the result of a close race.

In 2011, Alabama lawmakers passed a photo ID law, ostensibly to combat voter fraud. But “voter impersonation” at polling places virtually never happens. The truth is that the lawmakers wanted to keep black and Latino voters from the ballot box. We know this because they’ve always been clear about their intentions.

A state senator who had tried for over a decade to get the bill into law, told The Huntsville Times that a photo ID law would undermine Alabama’s “black power structure.” In The Montgomery Advertiser, he said that the absence of an ID law “benefits black elected leaders.”

The bill’s sponsors were even caught on tape devising a plan to depress the turnout of black voters — whom they called “aborigines” and “illiterates” who would ride “[sign in to see URL] buses” to the polls — in the 2010 midterm election by keeping a gambling referendum off the ballot. Gambling is popular among black voters in Alabama, so they thought if it had remained on the ballot, black voters would show up to vote in droves.

Photo ID laws may seem innocuous. For many of us, it might be easy to take a few hours off from work, drive to the nearest department of motor vehicles office, wait in line, take some tests, hand over $40 and leave with a driver’s license that we can use to vote. But this requires resources that many rural, low-income people around the country simply do not have.

I work with poor, black Alabamians. Many of them don’t have cars or driver’s licenses and make under $10,000 a year. They cannot afford to pay someone to drive them to the motor vehicles or registrar’s office, which is often miles away.

Photo ID laws are written to make it difficult for people like them to vote. A study by Zoltan Hajnal, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego, comparing the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections, found that the voter ID law kept black voters from the polls. After Alabama implemented its strict voter ID law, turnout in its most racially diverse counties declined by almost 5 percentage points, which is even more than the drop in diverse counties in other states.

In Alabama, an estimated 118,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID they can use to vote. Black and Latino voters are nearly twice as likely as white voters to lack such documentation.
In other words, Alabama’s law is nothing but a naked attempt to suppress the voting rights of people of color. That’s why my organization, Greater Birmingham Ministries, with the help of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, has sued the state to block the photo ID law. The case will go to trial in February.

When the law was passed in 2011, it so reeked of discrimination that state politicians didn’t bother to submit it to the federal government for approval, as Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act required. For decades, Section 5 had acted as a crucial prophylactic, stopping discriminatory voting laws before any election. Instead the ID law remained dormant until June 2013, when the Supreme Court’s devastating ruling in Shelby County v. Holder suspended Section 5’s preclearance requirement.

It left states like Alabama, Texas and North Carolina free to test the limits of voter suppression. Indeed, after the decision, Alabama announced the photo ID law would go into effect without federal approval.

The photo ID law isn’t the only obstacle in front of Alabama voters. My organization is also challenging the state’s felon disfranchisement law, which affects an estimated 250,000 people here — 15 percent of Alabama’s black voting age population, but fewer than five percent of whites.

The law bars people with felonies of “moral turpitude” from voting. For decades such crimes were ill defined, but once included things like miscegenation. A new law narrowed the list of disfranchising crimes, but a federal judge ruled this summer that the state is not required to inform people with convictions who couldn’t vote under the old law that they may now register to vote.

We’ve made too much progress to tolerate this. Federal courts must reject the voter ID law. Congress needs to restore the Voting Rights Act to its full strength. Nothing less than our democracy is at stake.

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“voter impersonation” at polling places virtually never happens.



I have heard this claim many many times and I find it hard to believe, I know that in the UK voter personation is endemic.

and although photo ID is not required in most places (it is in Northern Ireland) there are measures in place at every poling stating to counter personation.

In NI where photo ID is required there is a definitive list of what is and is not valid (EU passport, EU drivers licence, government issued travel pass) if you dont have one of those documents and wish to vote then you must apply for an Electoral Identity Card which is free but requires that you provide a passport style photograph.

I suspect that the reason that there is no personation in the US is that no one looks for it - look for it and Im sure you will find it.

there is also a problem with people registering to vote at multiple addresses


Nassau County, New York in 2013 a few hundred people voted who were registered as deceased
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According to all sources except the far right, it is still rare but there are thousands that are dead that just haven't been taken off the list. It is seriously looked at and they are often caught. Republicans have long used voter fraud as being out of control, because they do everything they can to make sure they win, including changing boundaries to suit their vote.
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"In Alabama, an estimated 118,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID they can use to vote. Black and Latino voters are nearly twice as likely as white voters to lack such documentation. "

Now, before the results come in is the time for me say I hope that even white voters in Alabama understand that Judge Roy Moore, a law unto himself east of the Mississippi, is not qualified to serve in Congress because he is self appointed Ayatollah of the American "christian" Taliban, so morally incapable of defending and preserving the US Constitution given that he believes in some odd version of "christian" S'hia law where the Constitution is not the highest law of the land.

" Moore told the rally on Monday: “I want to make America great again with President Trump. I want America great, but I want America good, and she can’t be good until we go back to God.”

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When we moved to iowa in 1990 two of the first things Becky and i did was change our driver’s license and to register to vote. When we registered to vote we were assured that they would notify the proper authorities in San Francisco that we were now residing in Fayette County, iowa where were registered to vote. Fot the next couple of years Becky (who has always registered as a Democrat) continued to receive garbage mail from the California Democratic Party. And then almost a full 4 years after we had left California she receives a big envelope forwarded from our old address (I thought they stopped forwarding mail after a year). It was from the City and County of San Francisco, and was a summons to Jury Duty. Well both Becky and the Clerk of Court here in Fayette County got on the phone with the people in San Francisco. And did there best to convinve them Becky was now a born again farm wife, living with her husband, three children, and 200 hogs on a farm in NE Iowa. They then forwarded copies of pertenant in information. And we never [sign in to see URL] back from them. But it was a couple of years before we stopped receiving garbage from the California Democrats - now properly addressed to RR 2, West Union, Iowa. Becky wondered if she was still on the voter rolls in SF. My question was more cynical. How many times had she “voted” in San Francisco since 1990?

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In Alabama, an estimated 118,000 registered voters do not have a photo ID they can use to vote. Black and Latino voters are nearly twice as likely as white voters to lack such documentation



that may be true but it isnt an insurmountable [sign in to see URL] them ID!!!!
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Great point.
I have duel citizenship and in my other Nation being given a photo ID card is part of the voter registration process, and yet, ironically, you can still vote without it, provided a poll worker vouches for your identity.

Oh, and just after you vote you are required by law to dip your forefinger into indelible, for a about 36 hours, anyway, ink, so you can not vote again if your finger is purple.
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My husband has been summoned several times to jury and he is not a citizen.
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I guess the voter ID laws didn't decide the race because the Democrat won.
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There is denial, for you.

Jones was elected by a surprising small margin because of conscience resistance to the GOP's anti democracy voter suppression policies.

Get out the vote !!!

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Odd that the Exit Polls show those that would have been "Excluded" by such requirement according to the Media and Wild speculation left wingers were the ones of greatest turn out. Do your research before you spout off.

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22,819 write-in ballots were cast.
Doug Jones won with less than 21,000 votes

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You're trying to claim voter suppression wasn't a problem in this election, because Doug Jones won. You are wrong, Jones won because republicans wrote in their own candidate.
 
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I addressed the OP, Voter ID Laws did NOT suppress the ability vote, period. Nothing as to final outcome, read into your own posts.
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The Jones victory does not show that voter ID laws did not suppress the vote. It only shows that Jones won despite voter-suppression laws:

As recently as last year, some 15 percent of otherwise eligible African Americans [in Alabama] lacked the right to vote, according to a study by The Sentencing Project.

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Deuel Ross, a lawyer for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, [said] “There are about 118,000 voters in Alabama who either have no form of photo ID or a form they couldn’t use to vote.”

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Voter suppression needs potential suppressed voters to not care enough to enroll.
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What?
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People who are stopped from voting are usually not prepared to ensure that they are able to vote. Apathetic until it is too late.
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Have you read some of these ID laws, Yobbo?

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.

By Sari Horwitz May 23, 2016

In November [2016], 17 states will have voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. Eleven of those states will require their residents to show a photo ID. They include swing states such as Wisconsin and states with large African American and Latino populations, such as North Carolina and Texas. On Tuesday, the entire 15-judge U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in New Orleans is to begin hearing a case regarding the legality of the Texas law, considered to be the most stringent in the country.

Supporters say that everyone should easily be able to get a photo ID and that the requirement is needed to combat voter fraud. But many election experts say that the process for obtaining a photo ID can be far more difficult than it looks for hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do not have the required photo identification cards

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

Hargie Randall, 72, was born in his family’s home in Huntsville, Tex., and has lived in the state his entire life. Randall, now living in Houston’s low-income Fifth Ward neighborhood, has several health problems and such poor eyesight that he is legally blind. He can’t drive and has to ask others for rides.

After Texas implemented its new law, Randall went to the Department of Public Safety (the Texas agency that handles driver’s licenses and identification cards) three times to try to get a photo ID to vote. Each time Randall was told he needed different items. First, he was told he needed three forms of identification. He came back and brought his Medicaid card, bills and a current voter registration card from voting in past elections.

But he was told he still needed more documentation, such as a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Records of births before 1950, such as Randall’s, are not on a central computer and are located only in the county clerk’s office where the person was born.
For Randall, that meant an hour-long drive to Huntsville, where his lawyers found a copy of his birth certificate.

But that wasn’t enough. With his birth certificate in hand, Randall went to the DPS office in Houston with all the necessary documents. But, DPS officials still would not issue him a photo ID because of a clerical mistake on his birth certificate. One letter was off in his last name — “Randell” instead of “Randall” — so his last name was spelled slightly different than on all his other documents.

Kamin, the lawyer, asked the DPS official if they could pull up Randall’s prior driver’s-license information, as he once had a state-issued ID. The official told her that the state doesn’t keep records of prior identification after five years, and there was nothing they could do to pull up that information.

Kamin was finally able to prove to a DPS supervisor that there was a clerical error and was able to verify Randall’s identity by showing other documents.

But Myrtle Delahuerta, 85, who lives across town from Randall, has tried unsuccessfully for two years to get her ID. She has the same problem of her birth certificate not matching her pile of other legal documents that she carts from one government office to the next. The disabled woman, who has difficulty walking, is applying to have her name legally changed, a process that will cost her more than $300 and has required a background check and several trips to government offices.

“I hear from people nearly weekly who can’t get an ID either because of poverty, transportation issues or because of the government’s incompetence,” said Chad W. Dunn, a lawyer with Brazil & Dunn in Houston, who has specialized in voting rights work for 15 years.

“Sometimes government officials don’t know what the law requires,” Dunn said. “People take a day off work to go down to get the so-called free birth certificates. People who are poor, with no car and no Internet access, get up, take the bus, transfer a couple of times, stand in line for an hour and then are told they don’t have the right documents or it will cost them money they don’t have.”

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Bellelettres, your post has outlined how the elite maintain the USA's state of not being a democracy.
You and people like you must work on destroying anti-democratic laws.
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I hope this article made you reconsider your remark that "People who are stopped from voting are usually not prepared to ensure that they are able to vote. Apathetic until it is too late."
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If they were apathetic, it wouldn't be a complaint or a known fact.
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Let us not forget the Battle Cry of Chicago’s south side — “Remember to vote early. And vote often”!

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The Jones victory does not show that voter ID laws did not suppress the vote. It only shows that Jones won despite voter-suppression laws:

As recently as last year, some 15 percent of otherwise eligible African Americans [in Alabama] lacked the right to vote, according to a study by The Sentencing Project.

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Deuel Ross, a lawyer for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, [said] “There are about 118,000 voters in Alabama who either have no form of photo ID or a form they couldn’t use to vote.”

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BTW, the courts have been gradually wading into the question of voter ID laws - #post32768]this from North Carolina.

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This is TYPICAL for Non-driving Photo ID, how is it so hard or so expensive? Or too encompassed to be able to comply?

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What do you mean by "too encompassed"?
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This is TYPICAL for Non-driving Photo ID, how is it so hard or so expensive? Or too encompassed to be able to comply?

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That's applicable to Missouri - and it doesn't say if it's acceptable ID when someone goes to vote. (It also says that obtaining it requires paying a fee of $11 (one of the reasons that the working poor often don't have any of the acceptable forms of ID - for some strange reason if people have to choose between food and obtaining appropriate ID they seem to choose food.)

In this case it also requires proof or residency in the state - that doesn't mesh with Alabama's laws re voting.
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Voter suppression needs potential suppressed voters to not care enough to enroll.



trying to enroll is easy peasy, what's difficult is getting the state to accept a application when you don't have a birth certificate.

If you don't have a birth certificate, good luck trying to get a I.D. card.


I have a friend from high school.
she gave birth to 7 kids at home on her remote farm in Idaho.

When she tried to get a birth certificate for her first two children, the state denied her application because nobody witness the births besides her husband, and they didn't seek medical attention afterwards.
 

I can see why Idaho wouldn't budge. You need to have somebody present at birth for the safety of the child and mother. She learned from that experience and had a midwife present for the rest of her births.

Last time i talked her to her, she was still home schooling her children and still trying to get the state to issue her birth certificates for her first two children.


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The poll tax was found unconstitutional in 1966. When I was a child, I remember that my family always had to pay it, and it was something like $[sign in to see URL] (which was a lot of money during the Depression). But the amount didn't matter. A citizen of voting age cannot be lawfully required to pay for the right to vote.
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All of which simply tells me that America is an oligarchy which actively works to deny democracy to its citizens/serfs
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Yet we have freedoms that all so many of the world envy. As to oligarchy, I suppose you can reference the conditions in the US?
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