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“Its a beautiful thing, the destruction of words . . . Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by eactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.“ ~ George Orwell, 1984

CDC gets list of forbidden words: fetus, transgender, diversity

By Lena H. Sun and Juliet Eilperin

The Trump administration is prohibiting officials at the nation’s top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases — including “fetus” and “transgender” — in any official documents being prepared for next year’s budget.

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The reaction of people in the meeting was “incredulous,” the analyst said. “It was very much, ‘Are you serious? Are you kidding?’ ”

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Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction. Three words that had been flagged in these drafts were “vulnerable,” “entitlement” and “diversity.” Kelly told the group the ban on the other words had been conveyed verbally.

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But this is only happening in the official government writing. I would say the Trump Administration has brought out some of the most vivid and accurate language I have read since Adlai Stevenson ran for office, and in greater volume. The blessing of the internet is that this language can be read in every house and schoolroom around the world.
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i disagree, banning political correct terms, and the FCC getting rid of net neutrality.

is dangerous, once you figure out who's views the WH is trying to limit.



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It's pretty clear why most of those terms are on the chopping block. Those terms are not "politically correct" - this is just an attempt to appease Trump's base.

After all, it's difficult to have a rational conversation about abortion if you can't use the word "fetus" - and substituting emotionally charged terms like "unborn baby" isn't an acceptable solution.

Same goes for "transgender" - especially since the courts have struck down Trump's ban on transgender troops in the military (the DOJ has already filed a challenge to that). While "gender non-conforming" is technically correct it's not the word used in Trump's tweet.

The list also includes “evidence-based” and “science-based” - so no-one is allowed to say that anything is supported by science or evidence - must make the creationists and climate change deniers happy. As well as those who are pushing for the legalization of conversion therapy (something that not only doesn't work but is actually harmful). And so forth.
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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.
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It would also be difficult to not use the word when speaking about Zika virus, and other birth defects.
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I wonder if zygote, blastocyst and embryo are also on the list. Next they will be attacking our uterus, we can call it our pouch?
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Without being science-based, it has been decided that the diversity of vocabulary be limited to exclude the mention of vulnerable transgender bathrooms, the evidence-based Zika virus which can affect a developing fetus, and any entitlements sought for such circumstances.

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I wonder if zygote, blastocyst and embryo are also on the list. Next they will be attacking our uterus, we can call it our pouch?



I'm not sure they know those words.
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How the CDC used “vulnerable,” “transgender” and other newly banned words in past documents

The Centers for Disease Control is the main public health institute in the United States. It is committed to helping Americans in a way that is science-based—er, oops, I can’t say that now.

That’s because ...

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After all, it's difficult to have a rational conversation about abortion if you can't use the word "fetus" - and substituting emotionally charged terms like "unborn baby" isn't an acceptable [sign in to see URL]



I disagree. I have no problem having rational conversations about abortion while using the term unborn baby. One reason why is because the term is self-explanatory. Everyone knows what one is referring to when one uses the term even if they disagree with it being used to refer to a "fetus." It's not an ambiguous term.

In fact, if you want to have a rational and productive conversation with a "pro-lifer" you need to use the term unborn baby rather than the term "fetus." It's just another way to refer to the same thing. People who want to advocate the pro-choice position need to find common ground with "pro-lifers" and one way to do that is to adopt some of their terminology.

If pro-choicers can't even manage to do that the discussion will hit a big snag before it even gets off the ground and turn into anything but a rational discussion. It will turn into an emotional back and forth hissy fit with nobody getting anywhere.

That's one reason why the abortion controversy still rages on in this country.
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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Unborn baby will work. That's what a fetus is.
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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Unborn baby will work. That's what a fetus is.



It's not acceptable. That term is emotionally charged and immediately grants credibility to the pro-lifers and gives them the ability to claim that "even those in the pro-choice camp agree that abortion is killing an baby".
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The Banned CDC List is Religious Right Terrorism

Donald Trump has reportedly banned the CDC from using the following words in their policies, budgets, and communications:

Evidence-based
Science-based
Fetuses
Transgender
Vulnerable
Entitlement
Diversity

This is not exactly true.

This is not Donald Trump’s handiwork.

He is not the author of this list.

He isn’t smart enough to come up with a combination of words so perfectly synchronized to hurt and silence marginalized people.

Only Evangelicals can do that.

As a Christian and twenty-year pastor, one who’s served for much of that time in the American Bible Belt—the list is eerily familiar.

It’s the extreme Evangelical Christian Right’s signature mix tape, the careful curated playlist they’ve had on heavy rotation in their indie gatherings for the past 60 years—only now it’s getting wide release, thanks to the monster they’ve aligned with; one who’s perfectly happy to disseminate it to keep their union intact.

Every sick, perverse Right Wing religious line of attack is there within those words:

- A disregarding of scientific fact in favor of necessary religious mythology.
- The unrelenting demonizing of the LGBTQ community.
- The hyperbolic vilifying of those defending a woman’s right to choose.
- The neglect of the poor and marginalizing and coddling of the wealthy.
- Open contempt for people of brown skin, foreigners, immigrants.
- Historic misogyny and raging white supremacy.

The list is a bulleted seven-point Sunday sermon outline, the kind that’s been given every weekend in pulpit pounding churches by spitting, sweating, furiously angry white men—who tell people the sky is falling and assure them only a vengeful white God can hold it up. They’re a list perfectly designed to leverage the fear Bible Belt Evangelicals work specifically and almost solely in.

These seven words are not the work of Donald Trump. He can barely craft a coherent Tweet, let alone compose a brilliant bit of subtle violence like this. This list is a wicked witch’s brew, crafted by the preachers and pastors and religious universities who’ve sold their souls to this President in order to get the market share that their extremism wouldn’t allow naturally. These words are written in the unmistakable hateful hand of the Pences, the Falwells, the Dobsons, the Grahams, the Southern Baptists, pro-lifers, and Family Values crusaders—and they’re tailor-made to legislate the Evangelical’s elevation of cisgender, white, wealthy Americans. It is mass murder without truck bombs and AK-47s. It’s domestic terrorism, just with less obvious weapons.

And it’s the kind of thing that would make Jesus turn over damn every table in sight, were he able to stop vomiting long enough to do so.

America is not a theocracy but it soon will be, unless people of faith and those who hold no spiritual tradition who recognize and abhor such religious extremism—oppose it loudly and continually. That this kind of forced compliance is the antithesis of the life and teachings of Jesus, as well as the Constitution. Both argue loudly against what’s happening here.

We cannot allow faith-based bigotry to become the law of the land here or we no longer need claim this nation a place where Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness matter. We can give up that whole Land of the Free, Home of the Brave garbage.

This CDC list is not random, it’s not impulsive, and it’s not the work of a bumbling, unintelligent, fraud like Donald Trump.

It is a deliberate, careful-crafted, dangerously precise work of white Evangelicals who aren’t going to watch their faith tradition die without taking out a whole lot of innocent people as it does.

This is what terrorists do.

And it’s what good people need to stop them from doing.

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This is one of those things that needs a little more information to come to light before arriving at a judgment. We're only hearing one side of the story so far. HHS is saying that the conversation is being mischaracterized, but didn't say what that means.

For the moment, I recommend taking a deep breath and waiting for more information.
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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Researchers aren't writing budget documents.
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They give the information to the budget committee and they use those terms in that information.
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The information we have only says the budget documents are affected. Information published by researchers is not affected. When drafting budget documents, they may have a valid reason for writing them in a more general or high-level fashion. Budget documents have a very specific use and audience. Until we get a better explanation of the reasons behind this, it's much ado about next to nothing.
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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Unborn baby will work. That's what a fetus is.



It's not acceptable. That term is emotionally charged and immediately grants credibility to the pro-lifers and gives them the ability to claim that "even those in the pro-choice camp agree that abortion is killing an baby".



It's an accurate term for what is being talked about. Fetus is just a technical term for the same thing. A developing, unborn baby.

And to move the discussion forward people in the pro-choice camp need to agree with pro-lifers that abortion is killing a developing baby because that is exactly what abortion is. The discussion will never move forward if pro-choicers can't even accept that fact and continue to spin their wheels denying reality.

What you advocate is a way to perpetuate the abortion controversy rather than resolve it.
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An undeveloped baby in that case would be a more correct term; i.e., a caterpillar is a developing moth, it's not a moth.
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An undeveloped baby in that case would be a more correct term; i.e., a caterpillar is a developing moth, it's not a moth.



Good point. Undeveloped, developing baby is most accurate but that can be described by the simpler term, unborn baby.

Everyone knows that such a baby is not fully formed and fully developed. That's why it is an unborn baby and not simply a baby.

Problems arise in the abortion debate due simply to quibbling about its status as unborn human life. Pro-choicers need to stop trying to win the argument by denying the reality of what an unborn baby is.
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And pro-lifers need to drop the "abortion is murder" nonsense.

It's the woman's body and it's her choice. Not yours. Not mine. Not the state's. And definitely not some church's.

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quote:

Philer wrote:

quote:

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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Unborn baby will work. That's what a fetus is.



It's not acceptable. That term is emotionally charged and immediately grants credibility to the pro-lifers and gives them the ability to claim that "even those in the pro-choice camp agree that abortion is killing an baby".



It's an accurate term for what is being talked about. Fetus is just a technical term for the same thing. A developing, unborn baby.

And to move the discussion forward people in the pro-choice camp need to agree with pro-lifers that abortion is killing a developing baby because that is exactly what abortion is. The discussion will never move forward if pro-choicers can't even accept that fact and continue to spin their wheels denying reality.

What you advocate is a way to perpetuate the abortion controversy rather than resolve it.



There are medical terms used during stages of pregnancies, fetus is one of those stages. I don't understand what you mean as in "perpetuate" the abortion controversy, as a nurse words like zygote, blastocyst, embryo all have meaning and what I was taught in medical terminology class. For me this has nothing to do with abortion but medical terminology that is hundreds of years old and will be continued to be used by medical professionals.
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i was taking to my brother the scientist teacher about the banned words, and he said without missing a beat. I wonder if the word "ridiculous" is still allowed?



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And pro-lifers need to drop the "abortion is murder" nonsense.

It's the woman's body and it's her choice. Not yours. Not mine. Not the state's. And definitely not some church's.




I agree that they need to stop the "abortion is murder" nonsense but the way to get them to do that is not to use terms for unborn babies that they don't and won't accept. That's not going to move the needle.

Talking about it being the woman's body won't move the needle either because "pro-lifers" are concerned about the unborn baby's rights, not just the woman's rights. It is the woman's choice and she has the right to make that choice but that isn't made clear to "pro-lifers" by talking about it being the woman's body when an unborn baby is also involved.
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This is one of those things that needs a little more information to come to light before arriving at a judgment. We're only hearing one side of the story so far. HHS is saying that the conversation is being mischaracterized, but didn't say what that means.

For the moment, I recommend taking a deep breath and waiting for more information.



Officials from two HHS agencies, who asked that their names and agencies remain anonymous, told The Washington Post that they had been given a list of "forbidden" words similar to the one given to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It appears that the CDC is now denying it. We'll see.
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Philer wrote:

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Agreed now I'm curious what the researchers that work for the CDC are supposed to call a fetus, a word that comes from Latin and is from 600 AD. Viviparous organism in human development is the other term, quite a mouthful.



Unborn baby will work. That's what a fetus is.



It's not acceptable. That term is emotionally charged and immediately grants credibility to the pro-lifers and gives them the ability to claim that "even those in the pro-choice camp agree that abortion is killing an baby".



It's an accurate term for what is being talked about. Fetus is just a technical term for the same thing. A developing, unborn baby.

And to move the discussion forward people in the pro-choice camp need to agree with pro-lifers that abortion is killing a developing baby because that is exactly what abortion is. The discussion will never move forward if pro-choicers can't even accept that fact and continue to spin their wheels denying reality.

What you advocate is a way to perpetuate the abortion controversy rather than resolve it.



There are medical terms used during stages of pregnancies, fetus is one of those stages. I don't understand what you mean as in "perpetuate" the abortion controversy, as a nurse words like zygote, blastocyst, embryo all have meaning and what I was taught in medical terminology class. For me this has nothing to do with abortion but medical terminology that is hundreds of years old and will be continued to be used by medical professionals.



Yes, they are accurate medical terms with specific meanings but they don't inform us about the morality involved. Trying to convince "pro-lifers" that those terms indicate that we are not dealing with a human life that has rights is not going to work.

  

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They are nothing to do with morality, they are simply stages of pregnancy.
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Yes, they are accurate medical terms with specific meanings but they don't inform us about the morality involved ...



When our air & water are polluted or when health care is made beyond affordability, we are "dealing with human lives" ... if we truly cared about human lives and "morality," these things wouldn't be allowed to happen.



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