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I'd love to hear them try to explain how this doctor was guilty of second degree murder.

If a doctor provided you with too much of any medication would you take it all at once? Or take more than the instructions on the bottle told you to take? And if you did either of those things would the doctor be responsible?

This doctor couldn't possibly be guilty of second degree murder and yet a dumbass jury still found her guilty of that crime.

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We really need to get rid of the jury system.
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I see that you elected to omit certain elements of the story (why am I not surprised?)

Bottom line, she prescribed highly addictive medications unnecessarily - making a great deal of money in the process.

supply an addict with an over abundance of the drug he is addicted to and it should come as no surprise that the addict over indulges!
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I see that you elected to omit certain elements of the story (why am I not surprised?)

Bottom line, she prescribed highly addictive medications unnecessarily - making a great deal of money in the process.

supply an addict with an over abundance of the drug he is addicted to and it should come as no surprise that the addict over indulges!



Still doesn't qualify as murder. An addict is responsible for what he does just like people who aren't addicts. His doctor isn't responsible for his behaviour. His doctor can't be responsible for it.

Addicts can read instructions just like non-addicts. They know about the dangers of the drugs they are using just like non-addicts and if they don't know, it's easy for them to find out before they take too much of any drug.

A lot of the people who have allegedly overdosed on opioids have done so with a combination of drugs including non-narcotic and less addictive drugs, sometimes including alcohol which isn't even prescribed! It's perfectly legal to adults who can just walk in and buy as much as they want. That legal substance can easily result in people being killed from too much of it mixed with a narcotic. And then of course the narcotic gets blamed.

No matter how much money this doctor took in and no matter how many narcotics she prescribed she doesn't qualify as a murderer under the law. It's just that simple. To find her guilty of murder is a travesty and shows just how ridiculous and unjust our judicial system can be.

As well as how stupid and biased a panel of 12 jurors can be.

 
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Still doesn't qualify as murder. An addict is responsible for what he does just like people who aren't addicts. His doctor isn't responsible for his behaviour. His doctor can't be responsible for it.



When a doctor makes her living out of supplying drugs to addicts for no medical reason she assumes a level of responsibility.

This 'doctor' (I use the term loosely as in reality she is no more than a drug dealer)passed out 27000 prescriptions mainly for drugs of abuse (alprazolam (Xanax), oxycodone (Oxycontin), hydrocodone/acetaminophen (Vicodin), and amphetamine/dextroamphetamine (Adderall))

She rarely performed a physical examination or documented a genuine need for opioid analgesics or other drugs.

Im not sure that murder was the correct charge as a charge of murder requires 'malice' and Im not sure malice was present - certainly there was a total disregard for the safety and welfare of her 'patients' but the sentence was certainly the correct one
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Naturally I like spoofs of the jury system. This is a funny episode of the classic Dick Van Dyke Show that does that very well. It's my favorite episode of the series.

It's a very funny take off of the film, "Twelve Angry Men." It shows what can happen when a juror cares a little too much about a defendant but in this case it works out well for justice. She turns out to be innocent.

It features actress Sue Ane Langdon as the defendant in one of her funniest performances.

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How ugh of the trial did you actually see, Philer?
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Still doesn't qualify as murder. An addict is responsible for what he does just like people who aren't addicts. His doctor isn't responsible for his behaviour. His doctor can't be responsible for it.



When a doctor makes her living out of supplying drugs to addicts for no medical reason she assumes a level of responsibility.

This 'doctor' (I use the term loosely as in reality she is no more than a drug dealer)passed out 27000 prescriptions mainly for drugs of abuse (alprazolam (Xanax), oxycodone (Oxycontin), hydrocodone/acetaminophen (Vicodin), and amphetamine/dextroamphetamine (Adderall))

She rarely performed a physical examination or documented a genuine need for opioid analgesics or other drugs.

Im not sure that murder was the correct charge as a charge of murder requires 'malice' and Im not sure malice was present - certainly there was a total disregard for the safety and welfare of her 'patients' but the sentence was certainly the correct one



Even if the doctor was simply supplying drugs to people who wanted them for no medical purpose she was no different than a bartender who sells alcohol to people who want to get loaded up on booze. If some drunk driver gets killed is the bartender who supplied the booze to him guilty of second degree murder?

There was no malice nor was there any intention for people to overdose on the drugs she prescribed. You can bet that patients were provided with instructions on how to use them safely. That is standard with prescriptions in this country.

The sentence was not the correct one. She wasn't guilty of any serious crime and certainly not guilty of second degree murder.


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How ugh of the trial did you actually see, Philer?



How much of it did I need to see to know that a doctor prescribing drugs to patients can't be guilty of second degree murder for doing so? That's true even if she was prescribing the drugs to people who didn't need them to fight pain. It's also true if she prescribed many more pills than people needed.

I couldn't care less how much this jury hated the woman who prescribed the drugs to the three young men who overdosed. Those men were responsible for what happened to them, not the doctor. The dumb, biased jury should not have found her guilty of a crime that she couldn't possibly have committed.

This sort of idiocy in court needs to be stopped. We need to get rid of the system that enables groups of 12 extremely stupid and biased people to wreck peoples' lives.
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Even if the doctor was simply supplying drugs to people who wanted them for no medical purpose she was no different than a bartender who sells alcohol to people who want to get loaded up on booze



Not sure of the law in the US but in the UK it is illegal to serve alcohol to a drunk person and if a bartender DID serve a drunk person and that person came to harm as a result the bartender is liable.


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There was no malice nor was there any intention for people to overdose on the drugs she prescribed



That is the hurdle for me too the lack of malice but in the US you have a 'depraved indifference' statute which would cover it

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you can bet that patients were provided with instructions on how to use them safely.



Actually I disagree I dont think that she gave a moments thought as to whether or not the drugs would be used safely - you dont prescribe medically unnecessary drugs which are highly addictive if you are in the least concerned about your 'patient's' welfare.


The sentence was not the correct one. She wasn't guilty of any serious crime and certainly not guilty of second degree murder.

Yes Philer we all know that you think that drugs are harmless and should be legal but the reality is that they are still illegal and this 'doctor' was handing them out like candy.

No addict if given a weeks (or more) supply of drugs is going to sit a portion them out they will take them as quickly as they are able - particularly if they know that there is an endless supply
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Not sure of the law in the US but in the UK it is illegal to serve alcohol to a drunk person and if a bartender DID serve a drunk person and that person came to harm as a result the bartender is [sign in to see URL]



Yes, and doing that is very different from issuing prescriptions for medications to patients. The doctor was not present and giving pill after pill to a patient who obviously didn't need any more pills. She wasn't even close to being the kind of irresponsible person that a bartender is who keeps serving booze to an obviously intoxicated person who will be driving a car upon leaving his establishment.

And even in the case of a bartender who continues to serve drinks to a drunk customer that bartender would not be guilty of second degree murder if the boozer has a wreck in a car and is killed.

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That is the hurdle for me too the lack of malice but in the US you have a 'depraved indifference' statute which would cover it



If you're a doctor who prescribes pain medication and you believe that a patient is responsible for how much of that medication they take is that "depraved indifference?" That seems to be as close to it as this doctor got. Of course a dumbass jury can imagine all sorts of depravity in a woman whom they hate. That's apparently what this jury did.

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Actually I disagree I dont think that she gave a moments thought as to whether or not the drugs would be used safely - you dont prescribe medically unnecessary drugs which are highly addictive if you are in the least concerned about your 'patient's' welfare.



Just because she prescribed addictive medications to people and made sure they would get plenty of pain medication that they may have needed I highly doubt that she didn't care at all about her patients or their welfare. She simply believed that they were responsible for how much of the medications they took. And she was right about that.

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Yes Philer we all know that you think that drugs are harmless and should be legal but the reality is that they are still illegal and this 'doctor' was handing them out like candy.



The drugs she was prescribing were not illegal. And even if she was handing them out like candy those who received them were still responsible for how they used them. Not her.

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No addict if given a weeks (or more) supply of drugs is going to sit a portion them out they will take them as quickly as they are able - particularly if they know that there is an endless supply.



Addicts do that all the time. There is nothing about addiction that precludes an addict controlling their intake of a drug. In fact, having an endless supply makes it much more easy to regulate that intake and not fool around on the street with dangerous black market concoctions.

If they instead choose to take far more of a prescription drug than they need or mix it with other drugs which will lead to problems that is their fault. Not the fault of the prescribing doctor.
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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?
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Too bad someone didn't go under cover and get her license yanked permanently after the first death.

She had 9 overdose deaths in less than three years. According to everyone, her business model was operating a Drug factory for addicts for profit.

Physicians are suppose to be very careful when subscribing addictive medications and are suppose to cut their patients off after a certain period of time before they become addicted. The trial against her went on for six weeks because they showed that she was enabling addicts, not helping them.
  

You are trying to blame her patients.

Once you are a addict you are no longer in control. Your Dr. is the one who's in control because they are the ones prescribing your medication.

Frankly, i think the medical community was 8 deaths too late in investigating her.

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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?



That it is a bit vague about what qualifies as second degree murder. But supposedly these three factors need to be established by the prosecution:
    
"that you committed an act that resulted in death to another person (or a fetus),
that you committed the act with malice aforethought, and
that you killed without lawful excuse or justification."

None of them appear to apply in this case of a doctor providing patients with drug prescriptions.
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Too bad someone didn't go under cover and get her license yanked permanently after the first death.

She had 9 overdose deaths in less than three years. According to everyone, her business model was operating a Drug factory for addicts for profit.

Physicians are suppose to be very careful when subscribing addictive medications and are suppose to cut their patients off after a certain period of time before they become addicted. The trial against her went on for six weeks because they showed that she was enabling addicts, not helping them.
  

You are trying to blame her patients.

Once you are a addict you are no longer in control. Your Dr. is the one who's in control because they are the ones prescribing your medication.

Frankly, i think the medical community was 8 deaths too late in investigating her.



I blame her patients because they were the ones in charge of how much medication they took. She wasn't there with them all the time to make sure they followed the instructions on the bottles and didn't take too much. She also couldn't prevent them from taking those medications with other things like alcohol.

Being addicted doesn't change anything. You are still in control of how much of any medication you take. You can regulate that intake of drugs, especially when you are getting legal drugs with specific dose levels known to the patient and specific instructions on how to use those drugs.

One of the major problems in this "opioid epidemic" has been just the opposite problem as the one this doctor supposedly created for her patients. Addicts being cut off from their prescribed medications and then turning to black market drugs resulting in overdoses because they took too much of the drug they chose to buy and couldn't quantify accurately. Or overdosing due to the black market drug being contaminated with some other drug that was much more dangerous than the one they were seeking to use such as fentanyl.

It's quite possible that this doctor saved lives by readily providing addicts with drugs that they wanted and which they would have sought on the black market if they had not been able to get them with prescriptions she provided them.

This society borders on being hysterical about illegal narcotics and yet sends a doctor like this to prison for decades who probably kept some people from turning to those dangerous illegal narcotics by simply supplying them with legal ones. Not a very smart thing to do but not a surprising thing for it to do, especially in a place as goofy as California. It has a long history of doing things in its courts that don't make a lot of sense.

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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?



That it is a bit vague about what qualifies as second degree murder. But supposedly these three factors need to be established by the prosecution:
    
"that you committed an act that resulted in death to another person (or a fetus),
that you committed the act with malice aforethought, and
that you killed without lawful excuse or justification."

None of them appear to apply in this case of a doctor providing patients with drug prescriptions.





I disagree, she had malice in her heart because she was running a pill mill.

 Dr. Tseng was notified by authorities each time 12 of her patients O.D. She received countless phone calls from her patients’ families, begging her to stop over-prescribing their loved ones. Many testified against her in court.

Dr. Tseng prescribed exorbitant amounts of painkillers 27,000 prescriptions in just three-year, that's 75 prescriptions a day.
How responsible is that? She was also convicted of illegally writing prescriptions for two of the deceased patients and 16 other people, including two undercover agents who were investigating how easily she prescribed addictive pain pills after brief office visits. She was acquitted of illegally writing a hydrocodone prescription to a third undercover officer.

Yes, she is the first to be convicted. there are many Dr. currently awaiting trial for the same thing.


 Dr.'s are now on notice, that they cannot run pill mills without consequences.

I think what you are missing, is that those exorbitantly high prescriptions rate she's filling, has turned people into addicts. when you say if she cuts them off, they will turn to illegal methods.

That's like putting the cart before the horse she's not suppose to subscribe medicine that gets them addicted in the first place.


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I blame her patients because they were the ones in charge of how much medication they took



she was prescribing to addicts - addicts are unable to control their intake - that why they are addicts!


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She wasn't there with them all the time to make sure they followed the instructions on the bottles and didn't take too much.



addicts in the UK who are taking prescribed heroin get a daily prescription which must be taken in the presence of a doctor/ pharmacist.

you cannot trust an addict to control their intake


Being addicted doesn't change anything. You are still in control of how much of any medication you take. You can regulate that intake of drugs, especially when you are getting legal drugs with specific dose levels known to the patient and specific instructions on how to use those drug

that is errant nonsense, to give an addict a weeks supply of drugs expecting him to simply maintain his dose is unbelievably dumb - an addict cannot control his intake - if he could he wouldnt be an addict!


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Addicts being cut off from their prescribed medications and then turning to black market drugs resulting in overdoses because they took too much of the drug they chose to buy



so (in your theory) this 'doctor' should have had no over dosing patients and yet..........


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It's quite possible that this doctor saved lives by readily providing addicts with drugs that they wanted



It is at least as possible that she created addicts by avaricious style of doctoring
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Without seeing the entire trial (actually just the parts that the jury was allowed to see) and/or reading the transcripts of the parts the jury was present for I don't see how anyone can be an armchair quarterback in a case like this. And then you have to take the judge's directions into account.

Personally I would have thought that something equivalent to "criminal negligence causing death" would be the appropriate charge in the first place.
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her lawyers are appealing the verdict,they believe she should of been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

but you are right, what you read in the news someone has taken the time to read the transcripes of the trial and make it like spark notes. definately armchair quarterbacking.

I can see both sides, and why Phil upset, and i can certainly understand family members wanting justice, or tighter rein put on Doctors who run pill mills.

However, 12 people O.D. in her care and it was business as usual, until she was charged.

I hope the verdict shakes up pill mill Dr. to change their ways.



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I can see both sides, and why Phil upset



Philer is upset because she places opiates in the same category as vitamins and sees no reason at all why they should be banned.

One of her notions is that access to pharmaceutical grade opiates would stop over dose and OD deaths - this story categorically proves that to be wrong
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It doesn't matter, it is an opinion and how Philer thinks it should be instead of the factual reality of the laws.
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If a doctor believes that patients are responsible for taking their medications according to directions and that those medications can be safely used if those directions are followed how is she demonstrating malice by "running a pill mill?"

You can bet that she didn't want her patients overdosing even if her main goal was making a profit. There is no evidence of malice on her part. She wasn't out to hurt her patients. Why would she have been?

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Dr. Tseng was notified by authorities each time 12 of her patients O.D. She received countless phone calls from her patients’ families, begging her to stop over-prescribing their loved ones. Many testified against her in court.



What exactly is over-prescribing? Sounds more like an imaginary crime than a real one. You should realize that even if she prescribed just a standard prescription of 30 narcotic pills at a time to any patient that they could overdose on that amount. Prescribing many more than that isn't going to make any difference.

Patients could also experience extremely serious complications if they mixed relatively small doses of narcotics with other drugs including alcohol. This information is not kept secret from patients. It has to be up to them to make sure they use those drugs safely.

And the families of overdose victims want to find someone to blame other than their relatives. An understandable thing for someone in their position to do but it doesn't make the doctor a murderer even if they did testify in court against her.

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Dr. Tseng prescribed exorbitant amounts of painkillers 27,000 prescriptions in just three-year, that's 75 prescriptions a day.
How responsible is that? She was also convicted of illegally writing prescriptions for two of the deceased patients and 16 other people, including two undercover agents who were investigating how easily she prescribed addictive pain pills after brief office visits. She was acquitted of illegally writing a hydrocodone prescription to a third undercover officer.



She may have prescribed narcotics to some people who didn't need them but even if she did that doesn't make her a murderer. And sometimes it's difficult to know whether someone needs a narcotic or not. Some people lie about pain that they are allegedly experiencing and there is no test for pain.

Making a lot of money by prescribing to a lot of people doesn't make her a murderer either. People who receive these drugs are still responsible for seeing to it that they use them safely.

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Dr.'s are now on notice, that they cannot run pill mills without consequences.



Yeah, they are on notice that they may become the victims of a justice system that has gone haywire in its crusade against "murderous" doctors. Of course they are only murderous in the imaginations of the crusaders.

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I think what you are missing, is that those exorbitantly high prescriptions rate she's filling, has turned people into addicts. when you say if she cuts them off, they will turn to illegal methods.



Prescriptions for narcotics don't turn anyone into an addict.

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That's like putting the cart before the horse she's not suppose to subscribe medicine that gets them addicted in the first place.



Then bartenders and liquor stores shouldn't be dispensing alcohol that gets people addicted in the first place but I don't see any folks in those professions being locked up for murder.
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she was prescribing to addicts - addicts are unable to control their intake - that why they are addicts!-mais



Are you seriously trying to claim that if a doctor gives an addict a prescription for 30 oxycodone pills that they will have to take all 30 of them at the same time? That they have no control over the number of pills that they take?

Or that they can't take just enough to prevent withdrawal symptoms or to give themselves a mild high?

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addicts in the UK who are taking prescribed heroin get a daily prescription which must be taken in the presence of a doctor/ pharmacist.



I'd like to see that sort of approach taken here as an emergency step to prevent the overdoses on fentanyl laced heroin. I suspect it would save a lot of lives.

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you cannot trust an addict to control their intake



It's up to them. It's certainly possible for them to control it when they know the facts and what amount will produce the high they are looking for. As well as the dose levels of the drugs they have. Why should they take a lot more than what will give them that high? The results if they do won't be what they want unless they are suicidal.

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That is errant nonsense, to give an addict a weeks supply of drugs expecting him to simply maintain his dose is unbelievably dumb - an addict cannot control his intake - if he could he wouldnt be an addict!



That's one of those things that sounds more realistic than it is. Addicts can function quite well in all of their decision making once they get their fix. If they know what dose they need to get it and know exactly the dosage levels of the drugs they have there is no reason for them to take more than they need to take to get that fix.

They want to get high. There is a dosage level that will achieve that. Once they go beyond that dose level they aren't going to get any higher. If they don't know that their problem isn't that they are an addict. It's a lack of knowledge. They don't know the drug they are taking as well as they think they do.

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so (in your theory) this 'doctor' should have had no over dosing patients and yet...



No, my view is that people need to know what they are doing when they use narcotics and when they do, they will be very unlikely to overdose. That won't guarantee anything but it makes an overdose less likely than when they are buying black market heroin on the street.

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It is at least as possible that she created addicts by avaricious style of doctoring.



Nonsense. Prescribing narcotics doesn't turn anyone into an addict any more than selling liquor in a liquor store turns people into alcoholics.




 
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Without seeing the entire trial (actually just the parts that the jury was allowed to see) and/or reading the transcripts of the parts the jury was present for I don't see how anyone can be an armchair quarterback in a case like this. And then you have to take the judge's directions into account.

Personally I would have thought that something equivalent to "criminal negligence causing death" would be the appropriate charge in the first place.



Why would anyone need to read the trial transcript to know that merely prescribing narcotics to patients, even doing so excessively, would not magically turn a doctor into a murderer? She didn't force anyone to take the drugs she prescribed at all much less to overdose on them.

There is nothing that I've read that indicates that this doctor could possibly have been guilty of second degree murder. She is simply the victim of a rogue, biased jury who viewed her as a murderer even though that makes absolutely no sense.

It's another case that shows the ineptitude of our jury system.
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her lawyers are appealing the verdict,they believe she should of been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

but you are right, what you read in the news someone has taken the time to read the transcripes of the trial and make it like spark notes. definately armchair quarterbacking.

I can see both sides, and why Phil upset, and i can certainly understand family members wanting justice, or tighter rein put on Doctors who run pill mills.

However, 12 people O.D. in her care and it was business as usual, until she was charged.

I hope the verdict shakes up pill mill Dr. to change their ways.




It would be nice if the government found a way to do that other than falsely accusing a doctor of murder and getting a lame-brained jury to find her guilty of a crime she couldn't possibly be guilty of committing.
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Philer is upset because she places opiates in the same category as vitamins and sees no reason at all why they should be banned.

One of her notions is that access to pharmaceutical grade opiates would stop over dose and OD deaths - this story categorically proves that to be wrong



It would stop people from overdosing on black market heroin who couldn't get legally prescribed narcotics unless they simply preferred to use black market heroin and to take all the greater risks involved in using that.

Millions of people use legally prescribed narcotics everyday without overdosing. Do you think the percentage of heroin users in this country who don't overdose is comparable?
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It doesn't matter, it is an opinion and how Philer thinks it should be instead of the factual reality of the laws.



Yes, laws which should be changed. They would be if our government was rational enough to do so.

In regard to that quality it's not exactly functioning at a high level.
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Millions of people use legally prescribed narcotics everyday without overdosing



are you incapable of differentiating between people taking medication for illness and people taking drugs because they are addicted?


BTW according to the CDC
Nearly half of all opioid overdose deaths involve a prescription opioid



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laws which should be changed. They would be if our government was rational enough to do so.



doesnt this case PROVE categorically that giving addicts access to pharmaceutical grade opiates does not prevent over dose and death?
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Without seeing the entire trial (actually just the parts that the jury was allowed to see) and/or reading the transcripts of the parts the jury was present for I don't see how anyone can be an armchair quarterback in a case like this. And then you have to take the judge's directions into account.

Personally I would have thought that something equivalent to "criminal negligence causing death" would be the appropriate charge in the first place.



Why would anyone need to read the trial transcript to know that merely prescribing narcotics to patients, even doing so excessively, would not magically turn a doctor into a murderer? She didn't force anyone to take the drugs she prescribed at all much less to overdose on them.



Do you have any idea what the jury was allowed to hear? Or what instructions they were given by the judge? Absent that it's impossible to pass judgment on the jury's verdict.
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It doesn't matter, it is an opinion and how Philer thinks it should be instead of the factual reality of the laws.



Yes, laws which should be changed. They would be if our government was rational enough to do so.

In regard to that quality it's not exactly functioning at a high level.



First I don't consider patients who put trust in their doctors directions, dumb asses, although the younger generation is far more interested in what they put in their mouth and do with do with their bodies. Secondly most legitimate MD's do not want to be the supplier of their patient's addiction nor their death. Laws are in place to protect them as well. Doctors who don't follow the rules are not only causing addiction but are responsible for deaths in over prescribing, they do it to make money, it keeps the addict coming back where they can bill $150- to $200 for that clinic visit when they spend a minute writing that Rx then bill the insurance company. They are scum bags and doctors of death and you're suggesting a very dangerous deadly game.
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I read today that the usual increase in life expectancy in the US has stalled and the use (over use) of prescription opiates is being blamed
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