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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?
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Too bad someone didn't go under cover and get her license yanked permanently after the first death.

She had 9 overdose deaths in less than three years. According to everyone, her business model was operating a Drug factory for addicts for profit.

Physicians are suppose to be very careful when subscribing addictive medications and are suppose to cut their patients off after a certain period of time before they become addicted. The trial against her went on for six weeks because they showed that she was enabling addicts, not helping them.
  

You are trying to blame her patients.

Once you are a addict you are no longer in control. Your Dr. is the one who's in control because they are the ones prescribing your medication.

Frankly, i think the medical community was 8 deaths too late in investigating her.

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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?



That it is a bit vague about what qualifies as second degree murder. But supposedly these three factors need to be established by the prosecution:
    
"that you committed an act that resulted in death to another person (or a fetus),
that you committed the act with malice aforethought, and
that you killed without lawful excuse or justification."

None of them appear to apply in this case of a doctor providing patients with drug prescriptions.
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Too bad someone didn't go under cover and get her license yanked permanently after the first death.

She had 9 overdose deaths in less than three years. According to everyone, her business model was operating a Drug factory for addicts for profit.

Physicians are suppose to be very careful when subscribing addictive medications and are suppose to cut their patients off after a certain period of time before they become addicted. The trial against her went on for six weeks because they showed that she was enabling addicts, not helping them.
  

You are trying to blame her patients.

Once you are a addict you are no longer in control. Your Dr. is the one who's in control because they are the ones prescribing your medication.

Frankly, i think the medical community was 8 deaths too late in investigating her.



I blame her patients because they were the ones in charge of how much medication they took. She wasn't there with them all the time to make sure they followed the instructions on the bottles and didn't take too much. She also couldn't prevent them from taking those medications with other things like alcohol.

Being addicted doesn't change anything. You are still in control of how much of any medication you take. You can regulate that intake of drugs, especially when you are getting legal drugs with specific dose levels known to the patient and specific instructions on how to use those drugs.

One of the major problems in this "opioid epidemic" has been just the opposite problem as the one this doctor supposedly created for her patients. Addicts being cut off from their prescribed medications and then turning to black market drugs resulting in overdoses because they took too much of the drug they chose to buy and couldn't quantify accurately. Or overdosing due to the black market drug being contaminated with some other drug that was much more dangerous than the one they were seeking to use such as fentanyl.

It's quite possible that this doctor saved lives by readily providing addicts with drugs that they wanted and which they would have sought on the black market if they had not been able to get them with prescriptions she provided them.

This society borders on being hysterical about illegal narcotics and yet sends a doctor like this to prison for decades who probably kept some people from turning to those dangerous illegal narcotics by simply supplying them with legal ones. Not a very smart thing to do but not a surprising thing for it to do, especially in a place as goofy as California. It has a long history of doing things in its courts that don't make a lot of sense.

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So, Philer, you haven't seen any of the trial on which you've passed judgment. What do you know about the California State Code under which she was charged?



That it is a bit vague about what qualifies as second degree murder. But supposedly these three factors need to be established by the prosecution:
    
"that you committed an act that resulted in death to another person (or a fetus),
that you committed the act with malice aforethought, and
that you killed without lawful excuse or justification."

None of them appear to apply in this case of a doctor providing patients with drug prescriptions.





I disagree, she had malice in her heart because she was running a pill mill.

 Dr. Tseng was notified by authorities each time 12 of her patients O.D. She received countless phone calls from her patients’ families, begging her to stop over-prescribing their loved ones. Many testified against her in court.

Dr. Tseng prescribed exorbitant amounts of painkillers 27,000 prescriptions in just three-year, that's 75 prescriptions a day.
How responsible is that? She was also convicted of illegally writing prescriptions for two of the deceased patients and 16 other people, including two undercover agents who were investigating how easily she prescribed addictive pain pills after brief office visits. She was acquitted of illegally writing a hydrocodone prescription to a third undercover officer.

Yes, she is the first to be convicted. there are many Dr. currently awaiting trial for the same thing.


 Dr.'s are now on notice, that they cannot run pill mills without consequences.

I think what you are missing, is that those exorbitantly high prescriptions rate she's filling, has turned people into addicts. when you say if she cuts them off, they will turn to illegal methods.

That's like putting the cart before the horse she's not suppose to subscribe medicine that gets them addicted in the first place.


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I blame her patients because they were the ones in charge of how much medication they took



she was prescribing to addicts - addicts are unable to control their intake - that why they are addicts!


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She wasn't there with them all the time to make sure they followed the instructions on the bottles and didn't take too much.



addicts in the UK who are taking prescribed heroin get a daily prescription which must be taken in the presence of a doctor/ pharmacist.

you cannot trust an addict to control their intake


Being addicted doesn't change anything. You are still in control of how much of any medication you take. You can regulate that intake of drugs, especially when you are getting legal drugs with specific dose levels known to the patient and specific instructions on how to use those drug

that is errant nonsense, to give an addict a weeks supply of drugs expecting him to simply maintain his dose is unbelievably dumb - an addict cannot control his intake - if he could he wouldnt be an addict!


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Addicts being cut off from their prescribed medications and then turning to black market drugs resulting in overdoses because they took too much of the drug they chose to buy



so (in your theory) this 'doctor' should have had no over dosing patients and yet..........


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It's quite possible that this doctor saved lives by readily providing addicts with drugs that they wanted



It is at least as possible that she created addicts by avaricious style of doctoring

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Without seeing the entire trial (actually just the parts that the jury was allowed to see) and/or reading the transcripts of the parts the jury was present for I don't see how anyone can be an armchair quarterback in a case like this. And then you have to take the judge's directions into account.

Personally I would have thought that something equivalent to "criminal negligence causing death" would be the appropriate charge in the first place.
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her lawyers are appealing the verdict,they believe she should of been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

but you are right, what you read in the news someone has taken the time to read the transcripes of the trial and make it like spark notes. definately armchair quarterbacking.

I can see both sides, and why Phil upset, and i can certainly understand family members wanting justice, or tighter rein put on Doctors who run pill mills.

However, 12 people O.D. in her care and it was business as usual, until she was charged.

I hope the verdict shakes up pill mill Dr. to change their ways.



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I can see both sides, and why Phil upset



Philer is upset because she places opiates in the same category as vitamins and sees no reason at all why they should be banned.

One of her notions is that access to pharmaceutical grade opiates would stop over dose and OD deaths - this story categorically proves that to be wrong

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It doesn't matter, it is an opinion and how Philer thinks it should be instead of the factual reality of the laws.
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