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You just didn't know that you were selected based on the color of your skivvies, cooter.
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We were all questioned in a general group, then split into separate interviews over the course of a day. The Attorneys asked pertinent questions as to determining racial bias, personal dislikes, they could read a fellow that was lying as to trying to get on a jury to hang it. He had stated so to other jurors but that was never asked of us by interviewers that I know of.
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with access to the name and address (which the prosecution would undoubtedly have)a decent investigator can find out an awful lot about a juror in a few minutes - do they bother for every case? probably not but for important/influential cases I think that they do bother

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The defense would have the same access to potential juror names as the prosecution. However, here the jury panels are selected immediately before the jury panel is called into the courtroom.
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I disagree, she had malice in her heart because she was running a pill mill.-snowpixie



If a doctor believes that patients are responsible for taking their medications according to directions and that those medications can be safely used if those directions are followed how is she demonstrating malice by "running a pill mill?"





You can bet that she didn't want her patients overdosing even if her main goal was making a profit. There is no evidence of malice on her part. She wasn't out to hurt her patients. Why would she have been?

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Dr. Tseng was notified by authorities each time 12 of her patients O.D. She received countless phone calls from her patients’ families, begging her to stop over-prescribing their loved ones. Many testified against her in court.



What exactly is over-prescribing? Sounds more like an imaginary crime than a real one. You should realize that even if she prescribed just a standard prescription of 30 narcotic pills at a time to any patient that they could overdose on that amount. Prescribing many more than that isn't going to make any difference.

Patients could also experience extremely serious complications if they mixed relatively small doses of narcotics with other drugs including alcohol. This information is not kept secret from patients. It has to be up to them to make sure they use those drugs safely.

And the families of overdose victims want to find someone to blame other than their relatives. An understandable thing for someone in their position to do but it doesn't make the doctor a murderer even if they did testify in court against her.

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Dr. Tseng prescribed exorbitant amounts of painkillers 27,000 prescriptions in just three-year, that's 75 prescriptions a day.
How responsible is that? She was also convicted of illegally writing prescriptions for two of the deceased patients and 16 other people, including two undercover agents who were investigating how easily she prescribed addictive pain pills after brief office visits. She was acquitted of illegally writing a hydrocodone prescription to a third undercover officer.



She may have prescribed narcotics to some people who didn't need them but even if she did that doesn't make her a murderer. And sometimes it's difficult to know whether someone needs a narcotic or not. Some people lie about pain that they are allegedly experiencing and there is no test for pain.

Making a lot of money by prescribing to a lot of people doesn't make her a murderer either. People who receive these drugs are still responsible for seeing to it that they use them safely.

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Dr.'s are now on notice, that they cannot run pill mills without consequences.



Yeah, they are on notice that they may become the victims of a justice system that has gone haywire in its crusade against "murderous" doctors. Of course they are only murderous in the imaginations of the crusaders.

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I think what you are missing, is that those exorbitantly high prescriptions rate she's filling, has turned people into addicts. when you say if she cuts them off, they will turn to illegal methods.



Prescriptions for narcotics don't turn anyone into an addict.

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That's like putting the cart before the horse she's not suppose to subscribe medicine that gets them addicted in the first place.



Then bartenders and liquor stores shouldn't be dispensing alcohol that gets people addicted in the first place but I don't see any folks in those professions being locked up for murder.



 i am probably wasting my time, but, i feel like i should reply.

she was found guilty of illegally prescribing medicine not once but twice to two of the patients who O.D. STOP IGNORING THAT. That's a pill mill Dr. I don't care if you think heroin should be legalized to excuse everybody accountability. There are laws in this country for a reason.

There are lines that are drawn for the better good of a country, in order to protect it's citizens. If you don't like our laws in regard to heroin use. find a country that has no laws about heroin use, oh wait there isn't any. Now if you want to talk about how the alcohol industry is waging a smear campaign claiming marijuana is dangerous. I'm your gal, their campaign is self serving joke.

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Pill mill is abuse of the doctors privilege as to caring or lack thereof to the patient. It really is not a Second Degree murder more like manslaughter if one would push that.

I would be certain will be appealed, a second trial could overturn the existing conviction.
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Juries are neither appointed nor strictly volunteer, they are chosen by interview by BOTH sides attorneys on a case. There should be no bias and should be warned during the process of No Bias or they are sent back to the waiting area or released.



It doesn't matter that they are chosen by both sides. In this case the defense had to be at a disadvantage because to be found qualified to sit on the jury by the prosecution a juror would need to be the kind of person who would support the "war on drugs." For that matter, most Americans have no major issue with the "war on drugs" especially when it comes to "hard" drugs like heroin and other narcotics. That introduces bias right at the start.

Add to that the fact that this doctor was a woman and an Asian woman to boot and the defense was facing an uphill battle against bias. They couldn't get objective and rational people on the jury because there wouldn't have been enough in the jury pool to begin with and those few would have been rejected by the prosecution.

So, the defense was saddled with the virtually impossible task of defending their client against melodramatic prosecution bullshit and a truly stacked deck consisting of a group of jurors who were far too biased and incompetent to be sitting in judgment of the defendant. The outcome of this trial wasn't surprising although even a bunch of dopes like these jurors should have been able to recognize that the doctor wasn't guilty of second degree murder.

Maybe they did realize that and just didn't care. Regardless they were far too stupid to be on a jury.
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And yet Hand Picked by BOTH legal teams and still in this instance enough mounted evidence came forth to push a conviction. A jury is warned and coached to not base Any finding on any aspect beyond presented evidence. The Judge just prior to closing arguments by both attorneys, unlike the TV courts room scenes directs just as such where the jury may disregard and ignore said arguments as they are NOT evidence.



It wasn't evidence that led to the jury's conviction of the defendant for second degree murder. That wasn't possible since there was no evidence of second degree murder even taking place.

Three young men overdosed on drugs. At least one of them mixed his prescription drug with alcohol and was killed by that combination. Overdosing on drugs does not qualify as second degree murder.

It had to be bias in favor of the victims and prejudice against the female doctor that led to her conviction for that crime.


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That's not the question - strawman arguments don't carry any weight - what exactly did the jurors hear and what instructions were they given by the judge? If you don't know that all you can say is that they arrived at a verdict you don't like.-shiftless



No strawman argument is being used. You claim that it matters what the jurors heard and what instructions were given by the judge. I've been pointing out that it doesn't matter.

There is no way that this doctor could have been guilty of committing second degree murder by issuing prescriptions for narcotics to patients. It doesn't matter how many she issued nor if she was in it primarily to make money. She didn't commit second degree murder.

And I don't like the verdict because it was a stupid verdict which doesn't make any sense. It's a product of bias favoring the three young male victims and their families and prejudice against the female doctor, not the rational evaluation of evidence.
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i am probably wasting my time, but, i feel like i should reply.

she was found guilty of illegally prescribing medicine not once but twice to two of the patients who O.D. STOP IGNORING THAT. That's a pill mill Dr. I don't care if you think heroin should be legalized to excuse everybody accountability. There are laws in this country for a reason.-snowpixie



I have no problem with her being found guilty of illegally prescribing medicine. What I have a problem with is her being found guilty of three counts of second degree murder, a crime she couldn't possibly be guilty of committing.

Our laws are certainly there for a reason but the second degree murder laws shouldn't be used to put away people who didn't violate those laws whom we don't like but want to see locked up for a longer period of time.

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There are lines that are drawn for the better good of a country, in order to protect it's citizens. If you don't like our laws in regard to heroin use. find a country that has no laws about heroin use, oh wait there isn't any. Now if you want to talk about how the alcohol industry is waging a smear campaign claiming marijuana is dangerous. I'm your gal, their campaign is self serving joke.



While I would like to see heroin legalized in this country to save lives by protecting people from a dangerous black market that has nothing to do with my objection to putting a woman in prison for thirty years for crimes she couldn't possibly have committed. Everybody should be outraged about that. Not just me.

The fact that neither you nor anyone else here appears to be upset about it tells me all I need to know about the likelihood that our jury system could possibly function well.

This woman obviously did not commit second degree murder and yet she is locked up in prison for 30 years on that charge with no parole thanks to an extremely biased and incompetent jury! Where's your outrage?
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