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It was three patients, ten years a person. Pill mill doctors MAKE people addicted to get $$$, that in itself is a crime and a crime against humanity. This person wasn't trying to help anyone, she didn't give a rat's behind if they were addicted or died, it was pure greed.
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It was three patients, ten years a person. Pill mill doctors MAKE people addicted to get $$$, that in itself is a crime and a crime against humanity. This person wasn't trying to help anyone, she didn't give a rat's behind if they were addicted or died, it was pure greed.



Are the people in the business of selling motorcycles doing it not to make money? Are the people who sell guns not doing it to make money? They certainly mark up the prices a lot not to qualify as a bit greedy. And what about all the people selling booze? Are they doing it as a public service to people whom they care a lot about? But not to make money?

People get killed everyday in this country due to all three of those things being sold and used by the people who bought them and I suspect few of the sellers quit the business of selling them due to sorrow over the loss of those lives. They just keep right on selling dangerous things which contribute to people being killed. People who easily may have survived without those things being sold to them.

The big difference is that none of those folks go to prison for 30 years with no chance of parole after being convicted by an idiot jury of second degree murder.

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You are missing the point that persons who go through a decade plus of medical schooling, do not distribute booze, do not sell motorcycles or guns, they are there to heal. This person wasn't helping addicts to maintain or have a life as in your expectation of 'helping' addicts maintain. This person was addicting persons, keeping persons addicted for money and played a dangerous game till 3 people died. You see that as okay, I don't.
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You are missing the point that persons who go through a decade plus of medical schooling, do not distribute booze, do not sell motorcycles or guns, they are there to heal. This person wasn't helping addicts to maintain or have a life as in your expectation of 'helping' addicts maintain. This person was addicting persons, keeping persons addicted for money and played a dangerous game till 3 people died. You see that as okay, I don't.



It's not that I see it as OK, katie. I just don't believe it to be second degree murder when that isn't possible. People overdosing on drugs that they administer to themselves doesn't qualify as second degree murder. The dumb, biased jury in this case convicted a woman of second degree murder when no murder had taken place!

Remember Conrad Murry, Michael Jackson's physician? He personally administered a fatal dose of a very dangerous drug called propofol to Jackson without taking adequate precautions and he was only convicted of involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to four years in prison and only served two. This doctor received a 30 year sentence with no parole. Does that really sound fair to you?

If the doctor in this case is guilty of second degree murder what about all the other fatal prescription drug overdoses that have occurred? Is someone guilty of second degree murder in every one of those cases? If not, why not? The same sort of scenario took place. Someone obtained the drugs using a prescription and didn't use them carefully and according to instructions. In many cases they probably mixed them with other depressant drugs or alcohol as at least one of these patients did.

And what about all those patients who fatally overdosed who had been abruptly cut off from narcotics by doctors after they had prescribed them? Patients who then turned to the black market because they were addicted? Isn't that a little cruel to cut people off from a drug that they are addicted to, knowing that they're liable to turn to the dangerous black market to get relief? In those cases the doctors were at least as much to blame for the overdoses as this doctor was. Why aren't any of them being charged with second degree murder?

Sounds like the authorities are really slacking off on the job of rounding up all the second degree murderers who are running around loose.

Do you want the authorities to start rounding up all the doctors who played any role at all in people being addicted to narcotics who then overdosed? That would be a lot of doctors.


 

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she was found guilty of illegally prescribing medicine not once but twice to two of the patients who O.D. STOP IGNORING THAT. That's a pill mill Dr. I don't care if you think heroin should be legalized to excuse everybody accountability. There are laws in this country for a [sign in to see URL]



I have no problem with her being found guilty of illegally prescribing medicine. What I have a problem with is her being found guilty of three counts of second degree murder, a crime she couldn't possibly be guilty of committing.

Our laws are certainly there for a reason but the second degree murder laws shouldn't be used to put away people who didn't violate those laws whom we don't like but want to see locked up for a longer period of time.

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There are lines that are drawn for the better good of a country, in order to protect it's citizens. If you don't like our laws in regard to heroin use. find a country that has no laws about heroin use, oh wait there isn't any. Now if you want to talk about how the alcohol industry is waging a smear campaign claiming marijuana is dangerous. I'm your gal, their campaign is self serving joke.



While I would like to see heroin legalized in this country to save lives by protecting people from a dangerous black market that has nothing to do with my objection to putting a woman in prison for thirty years for crimes she couldn't possibly have committed. Everybody should be outraged about that. Not just me.

The fact that neither you nor anyone else here appears to be upset about it tells me all I need to know about the likelihood that our jury system could possibly function well.

This woman obviously did not commit second degree murder and yet she is locked up in prison for 30 years on that charge with no parole thanks to an extremely biased and incompetent jury! Where's your outrage?



I'm not sure where you are getting your information about intent. Intent does not matters when people O.D.

The state she was charged in and many other states have been side stepping intent by revising and enacting new drug dealer liability laws .

These laws were aimed at punishing dealers for the overdose deaths of their clients. Known under "drug dealer liability" or "drug delivery resulting in death and drug-induced homicide laws. They have been charging people with 2nd degree murder, not manslaughter.

The good Dr. fell into the drug dealer liability laws, when she issued illegal prescriptions to her patients that O.D.


Since States passed these laws, I do not see the federal government stepping in anytime soon, to tell these states that intent matters, especially with having a drug O.D. epidemic on our hands.

   

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for example a 2010 Tennessee Code specifies that second-degree murder could be defined in part as the "killing of another that results from the unlawful distribution of any Schedule I or Schedule II drug, when the drug is the proximate cause of the death of the user."

Crouch said since the statute was amended, there's been a "huge uptick" in drug-related homicide charges, particularly since opioid deaths have increased on a national scale.


Regarding you wanting to make heroin legal to stop people from dying on the black market.

while black market Heroin a problem according to the Centers for Disease Control, fatal drug overdoses are the leading cause of accidental death across the nation, now exceeding motor vehicle deaths in the 25-to-64 age group. Prescription opiates such as oxycodone and hydrocodone, as well as sedatives and tranquilizers, now outpace illegal drugs such as heroin and cocaine.

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This would all relate to suicides by OD, by jumping off structures, by stepping in front of heavy machines or using any other form or device at hand, are they going to charge all those others in those conditions?

Have to consider the context of the issue, the person failed to reach the 'High' or level of intoxication they desired so added more meds until they over used or abused the materials. A doctor usually adds special instructions to scripts, the Patient fails to adhere the Doctor cannot be held liable any more than any of the above as they do NOT hold the bottle or force feed those materials to that patient.

The law in and of itself is biased toward a value it cannot control. Bad law.

As to the OP, not a bad or moronic jury, they upheld the law as was conceived and written, that IS what a jury is supposed to do.

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Remember Conrad Murry, Michael Jackson's physician? He personally administered a fatal dose of a very dangerous drug called propofol to Jackson without taking adequate precautions and he was only convicted of involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to four years in prison and only served two. This doctor received a 30 year sentence with no parole. Does that really sound fair to you?




the problem there is that Murry got away too lightly.

Your specifying that propofol is a 'very dangerous drug' almost suggests that those prescribed in this case werent 'very dangerous'

Different states , different laws, different interpretation of the same law make comparisons impossible.


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Are the people in the business of selling motorcycles doing it not to make money? Are the people who sell guns not doing it to make money?



If a motorcycle manufacturer marketed a motorcycle that was unusually dangerous they would be liable for prosecution - gun makers are protected by law (!) from actions against them for producing dangerous guns (2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act )
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nd so Medical professionals under their own insurance for malpractice. Yet the law in TN was 'adjusted' to include prescribing or supplying quantity of meds as to applying to Murder. Bad law, bad inferences, end result bad conviction.
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I'm not sure where you are getting your information about intent. Intent does not matters when people O.D.

The state she was charged in and many other states have been side stepping intent by revising and enacting new drug dealer liability laws .

These laws were aimed at punishing dealers for the overdose deaths of their clients. Known under "drug dealer liability" or "drug delivery resulting in death and drug-induced homicide laws. They have been charging people with 2nd degree murder, not manslaughter.

The good Dr. fell into the drug dealer liability laws, when she issued illegal prescriptions to her patients that [sign in to see URL]



Are you sure about that? I haven't found any reference to her being charged and convicted under drug dealer liability laws. In California that kind of law is apparently limited to civil liability for selling illegal controlled substances, not legal ones. Criminal charges against her would not have been possible under that sort of law.

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Since States passed these laws, I do not see the federal government stepping in anytime soon, to tell these states that intent matters, especially with having a drug O.D. epidemic on our hands.



It should if states insist on doing something that is unconstitutional and violates the rights of citizens who in reality have not committed second degree murder. If we are going to allow states to start convicting doctors of murder for prescribing legal drugs after someone overdoses on them then we should start convicting gun dealers of murder for selling a gun involved in an accidental fatal shooting.
   
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"for example a 2010 Tennessee Code specifies that second-degree murder could be defined in part as the "killing of another that results from the unlawful distribution of any Schedule I or Schedule II drug, when the drug is the proximate cause of the death of the user."



Guns are just as much the "proximate cause of the death of the user" in the accidental fatal shootings of users(and others as well) as drugs are when people overdose. Should the gun dealers who sold those guns go to prison for second degree murder?

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Crouch said since the statute was amended, there's been a "huge uptick" in drug-related homicide charges, particularly since opioid deaths have increased on a national scale.



I don't doubt that but it doesn't mean that conviction on murder charges for selling even illegal drugs makes sense, let alone legal ones that are prescribed.

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Regarding you wanting to make heroin legal to stop people from dying on the black market.

while black market Heroin a problem according to the Centers for Disease Control, fatal drug overdoses are the leading cause of accidental death across the nation, now exceeding motor vehicle deaths in the 25-to-64 age group. Prescription opiates such as oxycodone and hydrocodone, as well as sedatives and tranquilizers, now outpace illegal drugs such as heroin and cocaine.



Sure, because they are much more widely available. What the media doesn't point out is that the fatality rate is much higher among illegal drug users than those who use prescription narcotics. Millions of people use prescription narcotics safely everyday with no problem.

You're much more likely to overdose on illegal narcotics than legal ones. And even when people overdose on legal ones it is often a combination of depressant drugs that is the real problem, sometimes including alcohol.
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This would all relate to suicides by OD, by jumping off structures, by stepping in front of heavy machines or using any other form or device at hand, are they going to charge all those others in those conditions?

Have to consider the context of the issue, the person failed to reach the 'High' or level of intoxication they desired so added more meds until they over used or abused the materials. A doctor usually adds special instructions to scripts, the Patient fails to adhere the Doctor cannot be held liable any more than any of the above as they do NOT hold the bottle or force feed those materials to that patient.

The law in and of itself is biased toward a value it cannot control. Bad law.

As to the OP, not a bad or moronic jury, they upheld the law as was conceived and written, that IS what a jury is supposed to do.



Good points except for the last one. A rational, competent jury would not convict someone based on a bad law that does not have the power to change reality.

The reality in this case is that the doctor did not commit murder. No law(or legal argument) equating prescribing medicine that can be used safely with murder in an overdose case can turn a doctor into a murderer. Laws don't have that kind of power. They can't alter reality.

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I agree. He actually killed someone.

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Your specifying that propofol is a 'very dangerous drug' almost suggests that those prescribed in this case werent 'very dangerous'



Narcotics can easily be used safely by patients if they follow the directions. Even doctors need to be careful using propofol on patients.

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Different states , different laws, different interpretation of the same law make comparisons impossible.



Different states? Both doctors were convicted in California.

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If a motorcycle manufacturer marketed a motorcycle that was unusually dangerous they would be liable for prosecution...



Motorcycles are already unusually dangerous compared to cars. I don't see motorcycle manufacturers or dealers going to prison for second degree murder when some motorcycle rider gets killed on one of their bikes.

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gun makers are protected by law (!) from actions against them for producing dangerous guns (2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act )



Which is nothing but preferential government BS. The people who manufacture and sell guns are just as much guilty of second degree murder when someone is killed by one of their guns as this doctor was guilty of three counts of second degree murder.

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HERE IS THE LINK about California charging drug dealers and those writing illegal prescriptions with 2nd degree murder.

 Jackson died in 2009, 8 years ago, back then they didn't have any of these new laws, back then we didn't have crisis we now have with people O.D.

btw, you keep missing that point that THE Dr. was convicted of illegally prescribing drugs to the two of the 12 patients that O.D. in her care. That means she's liable financially as well as criminally.
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I agree. He actually killed someone.

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Your specifying that propofol is a 'very dangerous drug' almost suggests that those prescribed in this case werent 'very dangerous'



Narcotics can easily be used safely by patients if they follow the directions. Even doctors need to be careful using propofol on patients.

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Different states , different laws, different interpretation of the same law make comparisons impossible.



Different states? Both doctors were convicted in California.

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If a motorcycle manufacturer marketed a motorcycle that was unusually dangerous they would be liable for prosecution...



Motorcycles are already unusually dangerous compared to cars. I don't see motorcycle manufacturers or dealers going to prison for second degree murder when some motorcycle rider gets killed on one of their bikes.

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gun makers are protected by law (!) from actions against them for producing dangerous guns (2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act )



Which is nothing but preferential government BS. The people who manufacture and sell guns are just as much guilty of second degree murder when someone is killed by one of their guns as this doctor was guilty of three counts of second degree murder.



Problem with your mentality of the condition is loosing the dogs Philer. You release those shot with a firearms to sue the manufacturer for a user's misuse and then a car maker IS liable for damages when a car is misused, same for kitchen utensils, lawn mowers, EVERY thing imaginable and some that do not come to mind to often.

Cannot open that floodgate without MASSIVE collateral damage to so many other areas.
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Motorcycles are already unusually dangerous compared to cars. I don't see motorcycle manufacturers or dealers going to prison for second degree murder when some motorcycle rider gets killed on one of their bikes.



you are talking about 'comparative danger' rather than 'absolute danger'.

Not that you can in any way compare selling a motorcycle with with dishing out medically unnecessary opiates to an addicted person

Although I cannot find an instance of a motorcycle manufacturer being prosecuted for making a dangerous motorcycle I can find several examples of car manufacturers being prosecuted for making dangerous cars.
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If this holds as a final result then ANY product sales agent may become the criminally responsible agent in court.

Cars, Drugs, Guns, even Clothing or kitchen items. Then the manufacturers that produced those 'Perceived Weapons' will also be carrying liable responsibility. Loose one you have released ALL to the hounds.

Speaking of hounds there is also actions ongoing to pressure "Dangerous" dog breed breeder's as to their responsibility on presenting dangerous product on the public.

I ride as you most well know, I accepted the risk as had my insurer upon that purchase. I have found it is generally NOT the motorcycle as to fault in many accidents but 'Distracted' motorists failing to yield or cutting in front of, or driving into the motorcycle they often state "but I never saw the motorcycle". The laws as to lights on with the key, excessive lighting, many owners chroming extra items for 'Flash', high noise machines and people 'Do not see them'. My own machine is well over 900 lbs. dead weight, is just over 30" wide, lighting on EVERY corner, and is over 8 feet long. Very hard NOT to see unless one is distracted t a extent of disability or inability for they to be operating a motor vehicle.

Seen all manner of autos drivers simply unaware of surroundings drive off the roadway, drive into other machines, fail to register they are well too close for adequate stopping distance. It IS the auto driver in many if not Most cases at fault with motorcycle incidents. The bike itself is NOT inherently 'Dangerous'.
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Lose one? Loose one and it goes to the hounds, reminds me of what many said about gay marriage, then equating it with marrying an animal and beasitality. There is still(really there is)such a thing common sense instead of the absurd.
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And you discount all the current courts reviews BASED ON LGBT rights rulings as to Polygamy, bestiality, marriage to inanimate objects and so on. The courts have NOT tossed these yet as they do qualify under the rulings and the work to pare them down will be long term.
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I haven't heard of anyone getting a marriage license for a goat or the Eiffel Tower. They need a legal birth certificate....
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If one delves deep enough or is open to see what is really occurring the deviant in society are learning to use anti-discriminatory laws to their advantage.
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What exactly is "deviant" in that article - it speaks to agreements among consenting adults (the key words here are "consenting adults").

The other things you mention in your earlier post (bestiality, marriage to inanimate objects) don't fit - they can't give consent.
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Constitutionally, what you do in private according to the above article is yours to perform. Bestiality, what many consider to be Other immoral activities are then open to interpretation as allowed or allowable.
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until recently bestiality was legal in most states and is still legal in some states

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the key didnt come out.

Green is legal
yellow is misdemeanor
orange felony OR misdemeanor
red felony
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Really Mais Oui? Did you check the actual states statutes? MO has laws on the books against such but they are being approached as 'Unconstitutional'. Case was adjourned for the winter break according to a fellow worker on jury duty but still exists.
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I dont get your point, are you saying that there are more states in which sex with animals is legal that I suggest?

(if so you seem strangely proud of the fact)

Title XXXVIII. Crimes and Punishment; Peace Officers and Public Defenders. Chapter 566. Sexual Offenses.

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Really Mais Oui? Did you check the actual states statutes? MO has laws on the books against such but they are being approached as 'Unconstitutional'. Case was adjourned for the winter break according to a fellow worker on jury duty but still exists.



I did and it must be a very long winter break, it has been against MO. law since 2002, first time Class A misdemeanor, up to a $1000 fine and up to 1 year in jail. It also includes live or dead animals and up until 2002 it was illegal to have sex with your house pet but your farm animal was okay... I couldn't find anything that is was being approached as 'Unconstitutional.'
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A moron in Columbia MO decided to hire the ACLU against a pet shop owner that refused to sell to him knowing his penchant for 'Animal Husbandry', based on the Cake incident in CO, the case turned on him before fully filed as to animal abuse and bestiality.
His fight was under equal rights under LGBT rulings as he feels his sexual conduct IS his to determine not the state. Fair enough argument, as the LGBT rules will somewhat apply. Is between a rock and a hard place currently.
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A moron in Columbia MO decided to hire the ACLU against a pet shop owner that refused to sell to him knowing his penchant for 'Animal Husbandry,' based on the Cake incident in CO, the case turned on him before fully filed as to animal abuse and bestiality.

His fight was under equal rights under LGBT rulings as he feels his sexual conduct IS his to determine not the state. Fair enough argument, as the LGBT rules will somewhat apply. Is between a rock and a hard place currently.



Funny, I lived Columbia for a year back in '01! I normally don't like small communities, but at least it was a college town! I'm a bit shocked at such a thing going on there!

As for the jury; I'd need more details! I think Doctors have to start taking more care in some of their decisions! In commercials we've started hearing "tell your doctor ..." instead of being truly diagnosed to get something! Just requesting a drug shouldn't be enough! Some DOCs maybe afraid of losing a client which is so against the "Hippocratic Oath" IMO! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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HERE IS THE LINK about California charging drug dealers and those writing illegal prescriptions with 2nd degree murder.



The article doesn't specify any law in California allowing prosecutors to do that but obviously they did in this case and managed to get a dumb jury to go along with their bullshit.

I like the last two paragraphs of the article:

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Laws that punish drug dealers with murder charges may enable police and prosecutors to say they are "tough on crime," but they do little to address underlying causes of drug use and the chronic poverty that makes dope-slinging an attractive employment option. And they are of questionable constitutionality. One of these years, the Supreme Court will have to determine the validity and constitutionality of these laws.

Drug use and abuse is as American as apple pie. But there are different ways of responding to it. Resorting to charging drug dealers with murder is a return to the harsh and punitive drug policies of the 1980s, while embracing harm reduction responses is an approach more suitable to the current century. Punishing drug dealers didn't stop drug use or drug dealing then and is unlikely to stop it now. When it comes to people's craving for dope, the urge to get high will always outweigh the risks and consequences of drug use.




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Jackson died in 2009, 8 years ago, back then they didn't have any of these new laws, back then we didn't have crisis we now have with people O.D.



No, but the doctor who killed him still could have been charged with second degree murder based on what happened to this doctor. There apparently was no specific law in California aimed at charging doctors with second degree murder in overdose cases at the time she was so charged.

And the overdose crisis doesn't change overdoses into cases of second degree murder. An overdose by a willing drug user is not a case of murder. Laws don't have the power to change that fact.

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btw, you keep missing that point that THE Dr. was convicted of illegally prescribing drugs to the two of the 12 patients that O.D. in her care. That means she's liable financially as well as criminally.



No, I'm aware of that. That's where the case should have rested. She should not have also been charged with second degree murder and convicted of that crime by a jury of nitwits.


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Problem with your mentality of the condition is loosing the dogs Philer. You release those shot with a firearms to sue the manufacturer for a user's misuse and then a car maker IS liable for damages when a car is misused, same for kitchen utensils, lawn mowers, EVERY thing imaginable and some that do not come to mind to often.

Cannot open that floodgate without MASSIVE collateral damage to so many other areas.



If that were true wouldn't it also be true that "MASSIVE collateral damage" would already be on its way since drug manufacturers are being held liable and are being sued by the families of people who have misused their drugs?

Why the double standard in this country? Drugs don't seem to be more dangerous, especially to innocent parties, than guns are.

I don't see how drug makers can actually be liable for people misusing their drugs as long as those drugs can be used safely and are being used safely by millions of Americans.
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