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Constitutionally, what you do in private according to the above article is yours to perform. Bestiality, what many consider to be Other immoral activities are then open to interpretation as allowed or allowable.
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Bestiality, what many consider to be Other immoral activities are then open to interpretation as allowed or allowable



until recently bestiality was legal in most states and is still legal in some states

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the key didnt come out.

Green is legal
yellow is misdemeanor
orange felony OR misdemeanor
red felony

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Really Mais Oui? Did you check the actual states statutes? MO has laws on the books against such but they are being approached as 'Unconstitutional'. Case was adjourned for the winter break according to a fellow worker on jury duty but still exists.
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Did you check the actual states statutes? MO has laws on the books against such but they are being approached as 'Unconstitutional'.



I dont get your point, are you saying that there are more states in which sex with animals is legal that I suggest?

(if so you seem strangely proud of the fact)

Title XXXVIII. Crimes and Punishment; Peace Officers and Public Defenders. Chapter 566. Sexual Offenses.

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Really Mais Oui? Did you check the actual states statutes? MO has laws on the books against such but they are being approached as 'Unconstitutional'. Case was adjourned for the winter break according to a fellow worker on jury duty but still exists.



I did and it must be a very long winter break, it has been against MO. law since 2002, first time Class A misdemeanor, up to a $1000 fine and up to 1 year in jail. It also includes live or dead animals and up until 2002 it was illegal to have sex with your house pet but your farm animal was okay... I couldn't find anything that is was being approached as 'Unconstitutional.'
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A moron in Columbia MO decided to hire the ACLU against a pet shop owner that refused to sell to him knowing his penchant for 'Animal Husbandry', based on the Cake incident in CO, the case turned on him before fully filed as to animal abuse and bestiality.
His fight was under equal rights under LGBT rulings as he feels his sexual conduct IS his to determine not the state. Fair enough argument, as the LGBT rules will somewhat apply. Is between a rock and a hard place currently.
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A moron in Columbia MO decided to hire the ACLU against a pet shop owner that refused to sell to him knowing his penchant for 'Animal Husbandry,' based on the Cake incident in CO, the case turned on him before fully filed as to animal abuse and bestiality.

His fight was under equal rights under LGBT rulings as he feels his sexual conduct IS his to determine not the state. Fair enough argument, as the LGBT rules will somewhat apply. Is between a rock and a hard place currently.



Funny, I lived Columbia for a year back in '01! I normally don't like small communities, but at least it was a college town! I'm a bit shocked at such a thing going on there!

As for the jury; I'd need more details! I think Doctors have to start taking more care in some of their decisions! In commercials we've started hearing "tell your doctor ..." instead of being truly diagnosed to get something! Just requesting a drug shouldn't be enough! Some DOCs maybe afraid of losing a client which is so against the "Hippocratic Oath" IMO! emoticon emoticon emoticon

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HERE IS THE LINK about California charging drug dealers and those writing illegal prescriptions with 2nd degree murder.



The article doesn't specify any law in California allowing prosecutors to do that but obviously they did in this case and managed to get a dumb jury to go along with their bullshit.

I like the last two paragraphs of the article:

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Laws that punish drug dealers with murder charges may enable police and prosecutors to say they are "tough on crime," but they do little to address underlying causes of drug use and the chronic poverty that makes dope-slinging an attractive employment option. And they are of questionable constitutionality. One of these years, the Supreme Court will have to determine the validity and constitutionality of these laws.

Drug use and abuse is as American as apple pie. But there are different ways of responding to it. Resorting to charging drug dealers with murder is a return to the harsh and punitive drug policies of the 1980s, while embracing harm reduction responses is an approach more suitable to the current century. Punishing drug dealers didn't stop drug use or drug dealing then and is unlikely to stop it now. When it comes to people's craving for dope, the urge to get high will always outweigh the risks and consequences of drug use.




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Jackson died in 2009, 8 years ago, back then they didn't have any of these new laws, back then we didn't have crisis we now have with people O.D.



No, but the doctor who killed him still could have been charged with second degree murder based on what happened to this doctor. There apparently was no specific law in California aimed at charging doctors with second degree murder in overdose cases at the time she was so charged.

And the overdose crisis doesn't change overdoses into cases of second degree murder. An overdose by a willing drug user is not a case of murder. Laws don't have the power to change that fact.

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btw, you keep missing that point that THE Dr. was convicted of illegally prescribing drugs to the two of the 12 patients that O.D. in her care. That means she's liable financially as well as criminally.



No, I'm aware of that. That's where the case should have rested. She should not have also been charged with second degree murder and convicted of that crime by a jury of nitwits.


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Problem with your mentality of the condition is loosing the dogs Philer. You release those shot with a firearms to sue the manufacturer for a user's misuse and then a car maker IS liable for damages when a car is misused, same for kitchen utensils, lawn mowers, EVERY thing imaginable and some that do not come to mind to often.

Cannot open that floodgate without MASSIVE collateral damage to so many other areas.



If that were true wouldn't it also be true that "MASSIVE collateral damage" would already be on its way since drug manufacturers are being held liable and are being sued by the families of people who have misused their drugs?

Why the double standard in this country? Drugs don't seem to be more dangerous, especially to innocent parties, than guns are.

I don't see how drug makers can actually be liable for people misusing their drugs as long as those drugs can be used safely and are being used safely by millions of Americans.
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