GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBO https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t2586 Runboard| GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBO en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:12:28 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:12:28 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33308,from=rss#post33308https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33308,from=rss#post33308So, what has that to do with the OP? Or any of the rest of the conversation?nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:34:00 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33286,from=rss#post33286https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33286,from=rss#post33286The right hand giveth and the left hand taketh away ... nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Tue, 26 Dec 2017 01:05:36 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33255,from=rss#post33255https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33255,from=rss#post33255I do not swing left or right, I look to the issues, the responses offered and to the politicians running not their parties when I vote. Conservative Liberal if there is such a item. And I will remain Democrat registered for now, mainly in honor of my Grandmother. Another FDR comes along I would vote for that person yet until that day I vote my conscience. I do not mind aid for those temporarily out of work or for those families that have NO Alternatives, for those that do I have no time for should they not put the effort out to better that condition. Aid should NOT be equivalent to or in excess of general wages available especially these days when employment needs go unfilled.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:19:28 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33245,from=rss#post33245https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33245,from=rss#post33245Cooter, for someone that claims to be "registered DEM", you sure sound very far-right sometimes. nondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:01:19 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33222,from=rss#post33222https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33222,from=rss#post33222You are one of the very few where as noted in another post the equated value of Liberal derived benefits exceeds any form of REASONABLE, entry level minimum wage. Eliminate the need to work and workers stop showing up.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:56:49 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33206,from=rss#post33206https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33206,from=rss#post33206Bollocks, I worked for 40 yrs., was a single mother for several years of 3 kids with no child support and took no govt. benefits, as a liberal if you think I supported able bodied persons sitting home watching the telly and taking naps you are sorely mistaken, as are all of you who post that liberals have no never mind of those sitting on their ass and collecting benefits, when they should be at work.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 24 Dec 2017 03:15:59 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33202,from=rss#post33202https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33202,from=rss#post33202The US restores any semblance of employment in mid to upper middle class and the SSI and Medicare feed themselves. Too bad the attitude of the Left is we do not need to work to feed our benefits, just do service work at premium pay and all will be right, except that does not function when the cash cow purchases are moneys LEAVING the nation.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 24 Dec 2017 02:33:08 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33190,from=rss#post33190https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33190,from=rss#post33190I think you should read what the Senate Budget Committee has to say about no cuts. They are still working towards cuts, they had previously submitted a 450 billion dollar cut over 10 years for SS and medicare. They still want cuts, their problem, they need 60 votes and that will hopefully be enough to stop them. If Paul Ryan and his group don't seriously want huge cuts, I'll slit my throat for ya, it's a matter of getting votes, not that republicans don't want cuts, that was Trumps promise and for Tom Cole R-(OK) and friends Trumps promise was called a "fantasy."nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:38:41 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33185,from=rss#post33185https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33185,from=rss#post33185Show me the facts to make you correct. All you have shown is speculation and assumptions.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:24:16 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33166,from=rss#post33166https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33166,from=rss#post33166Sometimes there's a solid basis for what you call "fearmongering". Whether or not Republicans can or will make cuts to SS, Medicare and other programs is questionable. The fact that they want to - as I see it - is not; They definitely want to do it. So show me where I'm wrong? They have already passed tax cuts that will increase the deficit. When those deficit increases start showing up, do you think they will want to roll back those tax cuts, decrease military spending, or make cuts to Medicare and the like?nondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Sat, 23 Dec 2017 12:16:41 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33150,from=rss#post33150https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33150,from=rss#post33150John, just to put your fearmongering into perspective, when was the last time the Republicans passed a cut to Medicare into law?nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Sat, 23 Dec 2017 00:42:10 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33145,from=rss#post33145https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33145,from=rss#post33145Just because a waiver was passed that prevents cuts to Medicare doesn't mean that Republicans support Medicare. And it does not mean they do not either.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 23:45:56 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33128,from=rss#post33128https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33128,from=rss#post33128quote:gopqed wrote: Kicking the can down the road a few weeks or months has become the norm in the age of continuing appropriations bills. It has been like that for many years now, regardless of which party has controlled the White House or Congress. Yes, but my point is that it's no reflection on where a party stands on issues. Just because a waiver was passed that prevents cuts to Medicare doesn't mean that Republicans support Medicare.nondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:48:16 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33126,from=rss#post33126https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33126,from=rss#post33126Kicking the can down the road a few weeks or months has become the norm in the age of continuing appropriations bills. It has been like that for many years now, regardless of which party has controlled the White House or Congress. nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:14:01 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33125,from=rss#post33125https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33125,from=rss#post33125Currently China is DUMPING materials here as elsewhere as steel, copper and manufactured goods. They have a agenda to support, that gets stopped and the steel mills HERE stay running. A tariff to counter the false level of expense fixes the steel industry and as far as your 'Is not Going To Come Back' comment, that only holds true should pricing be kept artificially low, a process they cannot maintain and make up losses for any real length of time either from MX, S and C Americas, even Asian concerns.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:10:54 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33124,from=rss#post33124https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33124,from=rss#post33124quote:gopqed wrote: I noted the January 19th date and the three-month funding for CHIP in my post last night, so I'm aware of the details. You didn't mention the waiver for the sequestration of mandatory spending, which prevents the cuts to Medicare you were spreading fear about. I know you did. Basically this just delayed dealing with many of these issues until next year, when they will have to be dealt with again. As far as Medicare, this doesn't mean it's off the table. Some Republicans were against the waiver while others probably fear how it would look to give the wealthy tax and then attack Medicare... A senior administration official told reporters at a briefing Thursday that Trump, Ryan and McConnell plan to meet on welfare reform in early January “to make sure everyone is on the same page.” But some Republicans worry about taking aim at any safety-net programs on the heels of passing a $1.5 trillion tax bill that independent analysts say does far more for corporations and the wealthy than the middle class. “I think the optics are terrible,” said John McKager “Mac” Stipanovich, a longtime Florida-based GOP consultant. “At least at this point, the Democrats are winning the argument that the tax cuts primarily benefit the wealthy and big business. To come in right behind that and start whacking the poor, the working poor, will not serve Republicans well in 2018.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-tax-bills-passage-tensions-over-what-republicans-should-do-next/2017/12/21/0cf7d892-e66b-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.0f5ff8720063nondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:01:44 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33122,from=rss#post33122https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33122,from=rss#post33122I noted the January 19th date and the three-month funding for CHIP in my post last night, so I'm aware of the details. You didn't mention the waiver for the sequestration of mandatory spending, which prevents the cuts to Medicare you were spreading fear about.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 18:21:19 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33121,from=rss#post33121https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33121,from=rss#post33121quote:gopqed wrote: He just signed the bill. Then he's even dumber than I thought. Besides, the original report that the bill would be signed in January came from Bloomberg http://fortune.com/2017/12/21/trump-signs-tax-bill-january/nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 18:15:03 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33117,from=rss#post33117https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33117,from=rss#post33117quote:gopqed wrote: The bill passed by the House today to provide funding for the federal government to January 19 and fund CHIP to March includes the PAYGO waiver to prevent the sequestration of mandatory spending (including Medicare.) The devil is in the details, Gop. The stopgap measure continues federal operations for a few more weeks, setting up another deadline for Jan. 19. But it left undone a long list of priorities that members of both parties had hoped to finish this year. ... Conservative groups opposed the disaster measure for increasing spending too much, and Democrats said it was insufficient, especially for hard-hit Puerto Rico. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky decided not to bring the measure up for a vote. ... The stop-gap spending bill would fund three more months of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, or CHIP http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-disaster-shutdown-20171221-story.htmlnondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:58:49 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33116,from=rss#post33116https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33116,from=rss#post33116Your Facebook friend is a moron, by the way. You really should do some fact-checking before you post drivel.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:56:20 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33115,from=rss#post33115https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33115,from=rss#post33115He just signed the bill.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:52:03 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33114,from=rss#post33114https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33114,from=rss#post33114BTW, ever wonder why Trump hasn't signed this turkey yet? There is a reason and I don't think too many people are going to like it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 16:42:53 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33113,from=rss#post33113https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33113,from=rss#post33113Yet some 5 million US jobs are dependent on trade with Mexico and 9 million with Canada. And if you somehow wiped out all the trade agreements the "old" US manufacturing jobs will not come back. They're gone forever.nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:15:58 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33111,from=rss#post33111https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33111,from=rss#post33111What I see is narrow minded lack of foresight from our illustrious left leaner's, It is NOT due to SSI And Medicare that the Deficit is so huge. It IS due to the Left's imagineered NAFTA and other foreign trades policies allowing mass imports of crap subsidized goods shutting down industries here, ending well paying jobs and decreasing the inputs to those programs from Lack of Employed paying those taxes. Add to that the illustrious Millennial population hung up on Selfie's and FB or instant messaging that interferes with working or in their attitude work interferes with their messaging, takes the toll to the point they cannot retain employ and fail to successfully gain employ. No decent well paying work and workers and the system implodes, taxes fail to pay bills as they also decline, the lack of vision to advance and access their own lives sets so many older adults in debt trying to keep the Children functional if possible.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 13:23:15 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33106,from=rss#post33106https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33106,from=rss#post33106quote:gopqed wrote: One more thing - about 175 Democrats in the House and the above mentioned members of the Senate voted to shut down the federal government, in addition to cutting Medicare and denying healthcare to children. Just following the Republicans' example. nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 12:13:27 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33088,from=rss#post33088https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33088,from=rss#post33088One more thing - about 175 Democrats in the House and the above mentioned members of the Senate voted to shut down the federal government, in addition to cutting Medicare and denying healthcare to children.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 03:47:30 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33087,from=rss#post33087https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33087,from=rss#post33087The bill also passed in the Senate. It's interesting that Bernie Sanders and 29 democrats voted against it, preferring to support cuts to Medicare and voting against funding healthcare for children. nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Fri, 22 Dec 2017 03:08:44 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33083,from=rss#post33083https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33083,from=rss#post33083The bill passed by the House today to provide funding for the federal government to January 19 and fund CHIP to March includes the PAYGO waiver to prevent the sequestration of mandatory spending (including Medicare.)nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:51:30 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33074,from=rss#post33074https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33074,from=rss#post33074But as the article says; "Congress could avoid the sequestration by passing a bill to circumvent the pay-go rules, but that would require Democratic support in the Senate, and may lose the support of fiscal hawks in the Republican Party." Most Republicans may not be willing to cut Medicare now, but when the deficit explodes - and it will - they will act as though they have no other choice. Some have already hinted at this; "The driver of our debt is the structure of Social Security and Medicare for future beneficiaries” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) "We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit" Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) nondisclosed_email@example.com (John1959)Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:20:27 +0000 Re: GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBOhttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33073,from=rss#post33073https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p33073,from=rss#post33073 The only reason it would not pass is that the Democrats decide that they would rather see cuts to Medicare so they can score political points. But then they would have to explain why they favor cuts to Medicare. They will support the bill but, as they should, they will extract things they want from the Republicans to guarantee their support for the bill.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:49:29 +0000