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Should pit bulls be banned?


I believe they should be. It appears far too easy for them to turn on their owner. These dogs were allegedly raised from puppies by the woman whom they killed.

If they were neglected or mistreated at all it appears it wasn't she who was responsible.

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UK banned them and now there are almost weekly court cases (almost 30 years after the ban) involving dogs siezed for 'looking like a pitbull'

It is impossible to determine whether or not a dog is a pitbull or simply a dog which looks like a pitbull (often a boxer cross).

Banning a dog for looking a certain way makes absolutely no sense - its not even as if this is the first person to be attacked and killed by their own dogs.

At the time UK banned pitbulls (and three other breeds none of which were thought to be present in the UK) there had been no fatal attacks by a pitbull - but two fatal attacks by Rottweilers - which are not banned
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To me it boils down to the cost benefit ratio. There are lots of breeds of dogs. Banning pit bulls as well as Rottweilers would not drastically limit dog lovers from having various dogs as pets. Does anyone really need to have either of those particular breeds as members of their families?

Not if they are sometimes going to result in horrific dog attacks like this one. No family should have to experience this kind of horror.
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I try to look on the bright side of stories such as this, which may not be particularly popular, but if those dogs were unpredictable and were going to turn on someone in the way they did, let it be the owner and not an innocent person who was walking by.

It's kind of like the single car accident scenario when the news reports say that the driver "lost control" of the vehicle -- when a driver doesn't know how to control a vehicle and wraps themselves around a telephone pole, I'm always thankful they didn't kill someone else.

I haven't read up on what they feel was the cause of the dog attack, I only read the story around the day it appeared in the news. She did lose control of her dogs in some way; maybe a squirrel ran by or something and got them agitated. In any case, she knew they could be dangerous dogs, they were taught to fight, etc., which, should be banned, imo.
 

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There are lots of breeds of dogs. Banning pit bulls as well as Rottweilers would not drastically limit dog lovers from having various dogs as pets



and if you look many of them have been involved in serious attacks.

But you haven't addressed my point of how do you propose to define pitbull terrier in a way that precludes any mistaken identity.


Does anyone really need to have either of those particular breeds as members of their families?

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does any one really need any dog?



We used to own a Rhodesian Ridgeback (big imposing dog)Mr Oui used to tell people it was to bite people he didnt want to bite himself!


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Not if they are sometimes going to result in horrific dog attacks like this one. No family should have to experience this kind of horror.



I dont see what makes this attack so terrible - in 2016 there were about 32 fatal dog attacks in the USA - three of them involved Labradors or Labrador crosses
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Not pitbulls as a breed but any ferocious dog should be despatched.
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any ferocious dog should be despatched.



define ferocious!
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Those that bite humans who are not exhibiting agression.
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the only way you can know if a dog will bite is to wait until its bitten some one by which time it is too late!
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OK, we are going to eliminate pitbulls. Is this going to be accomplished on a Federal nationwide level? Or is it going to be accomplished via a series of state or local laws. That will be totally impossible to coordinate. W hat are the logistics required to eliminate and entire breed of dog. How do we differentiate between pits and other breeds? In the real world, where we have millions of mixed breed dogs, whar percentage of pitbull blood constitutes a dog to be eliminated? How do we identify and differentiate between the various levels of pit mixes? And on and on, and on. Possibly a. Well intended, proposal that is totally impossible to manage. In simplistic terms — it just ain’t gonna happen.

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I don't understand why anybody would want to eliminate a breed of dog.

you cannot stereotype dog breeds just like your cannot stereotype people.

Granted some bulldogs are dominate aggressors, but not all.

I had a mix lab i think she was half bulldog due to the shape of her face. everybody was afraid of her in our neighborhood, small children would cry when they saw her. I always felt bad about that. The truth was she was all bark and no bite she constantly showered by grand-babies with pure love.

Now my poodle, was a mini monster.

his personality changed once he reached the age of 3, he went from loving everybody to territorial and probably dominance aggression. He would attack dogs 4 times his size, Dogs would pick him up by his neck and shake him like a rag doll. It was horrible to watch. It's like he didn't realize how small and defenseless he was. I soon realized that this was his mature personality and i had to find him another home since i had grandchildren who visited.
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A pit bull final solution is what exactly ?

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You are right of course Mary, but the only certain way of preventing dogs from biting humans is to kill all dogs.
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You can make them safer at least outdoors, muzzle them.
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Which reminds me, it isn't just death they can chew a person up and cause great injury. We had an elderly neighbor taking a walk through our area, an 11 y.o. girl walking a pit bull lost control(surprise) and the dog made a mess out the old lady.
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I haven't researched it, but I know that dog fighting is illegal in the U.S. -- I read that these dogs had been trained for fighting.

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OK, we are going to eliminate pitbulls. Is this going to be accomplished on a Federal nationwide level? Or is it going to be accomplished via a series of state or local laws. That will be totally impossible to coordinate. W hat are the logistics required to eliminate and entire breed of dog. How do we differentiate between pits and other breeds? In the real world, where we have millions of mixed breed dogs, whar percentage of pitbull blood constitutes a dog to be eliminated? How do we identify and differentiate between the various levels of pit mixes? And on and on, and on. Possibly a. Well intended, proposal that is totally impossible to manage. In simplistic terms — it just ain’t gonna happen.



It probably won't happen but if it did we wouldn't have to be overly concerned about mixed breeds. If pure bred pit bulls were banned the mixed breeds would also become scarce.

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Which reminds me, it isn't just death they can chew a person up and cause great injury. We had an elderly neighbor taking a walk through our area, an 11 y.o. girl walking a pit bull lost control(surprise) and the dog made a mess out the old lady.



This illustrates the problem. Why should any civilized society allow dogs like this which are close to being the equivalent of a dangerous wild animal to be out and about where they may at any time attack someone?

As I said, the cost benefit ratio doesn't justify doing so.
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I have no clue as I don't why you think heroin should be available to those on demand.
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I have no clue as I don't why you think heroin should be available to those on demand.



As I've explained, the main reason why is probably because making heroin legally available makes its use much more cheap and safe for the user. They'll be less likely to commit a crime to get the money to buy it and they'll be less likely to overdose on it because they will know what dose they are taking. And they will also know that it wasn't mixed with fentanyl.

But there's also another reason which should be obvious. Heroin users are doing something which they have a right to do just like sky divers have the right to jump out of air planes. It doesn't follow that because it is dangerous they don't have a right to do it.

Walking around with a pit bull dog which at any time may leap at someone's throat and try to kill them is not at all in the same category with someone deciding to risk their own life for the high they get from heroin. Of course I'm not surprised that of the two things this society bans the wrong one.

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We have not banned 'dangerous dogs' so what are you on about with so called banning?
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We have not banned 'dangerous dogs' so what are you on about with so called banning?



Just that the government has banned heroin or tried to while not banning dangerous breeds of dogs that have suddenly attacked innocent folks and killed them.

What is the significant difference between allowing people to walk around with mountain lions on a leash and pit bulls on a leash which have gone out of control and killed people?

A fat lot of good it does to tell the loved ones of the victims in such attacks that the owner didn't treat the dog right or that normally the dogs don't do that. Frankly I get tired of hearing that same old song and dance about pit bulls being as safe as kittens unless they are mistreated.
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You can make them safer at least outdoors, muzzle them

In Ireland there are many breeds which must be muzzled (and on a short leash and under the control of an adult)-
•American pit bull terrier
•English bull terrier
•Staffordshire bull terrier
•Bull mastiff
•Dobermann pinscher
•German shepherd (Alsatian)
•Rhodesian ridgeback
•Rottweiler
•Japanese akita
•Japanese tosa
•Bandog

including any 'breed strain or cross' of the named breeds (American staffordshire terrier being a strain of pitbull for axample)
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So of 'Dangerous Breeds' should that then include the Pincher, the Shepherd or the Alaskan breeds? All can represent a dangerous animal at times. What of so many other 'Hunting' or 'Guard' breeds? All too encompassing to call for one's destruction and not the others.
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Neighbours of ours own a Rhodesian Ridgeback which is the mildest of animals. Our cat is more viscious.
So breeds may not be the problem; the behaviour that humans instil in the dogs is what may be important.
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It would be a real problem in itself to attempt to ban certain breeds of dogs, but it makes sense to have regulations, such as mentioned, i.e. use of a muzzle.

That is an interesting list of dogs. I didn't know all of the breeds, so I had to look up some of them. Although the behavior does have much to do with how they are raised, there are usually going to be certain traits that are part of a dog's breed. For instance, I see that the Rhodesian Ridgeback was originally bred to hunt lions and was known as African Lion Hound; the Tosa was bred for the custom of "silent combat" dog fighting in Japan.

I wasn't familiar with Bandog ... it appears that this breed was devised by an American vet in the 1960's to develop "the ultimate working/combat dog" -- crossing American Pit Bull Terrier with the Neapolitan Mastiff. ]Wiki page for more info

These are all some serious dogs!

The thing is that they are typically gentle creatures with their owners and are used for protection and guarding, which is what many were bred for, or for hunting. It is when they are not trained or ill-trained that there are serious consequences.

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The thinking behind the Irish list of controlled dogs is that these breeds not only have the propensity to attack but have the size and strength that if they attack they are likely to cause serious harm.

there are several small breeds which are notorious for biting - several of the spaniel breeds are subject top a disorder known as paroxysm of rage in which they become explosively angry (for no apparent reason) and will attack anything or any one in their path, many of the terrier breeds will attack anything they mistake for prey (such as a small crying child) but both terriers and spaniels are of a size that an adult can both withstand an attack and fight one off.

When we had our Ridgeback she was a sweetheart with the family but hated strangers and was a liability if they were in the house.

We once had workmen in the house and I told them not to go into a certain room because the dog was in there - shortly after one of them went in and I found him pinned to a wall with 100 pounds of Ridgeback standing on its backlegs barking into his face distance of about 6 inches!


Bandogs are a mix of pitbull and other breeds (usually of the 'molossus' type) in an attempt to make a dog even more powerful than the original pitbull
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I have found that Jack Russells are usually not to be trusted.

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You can make them safer at least outdoors, muzzle them

In Ireland there are many breeds which must be muzzled (and on a short leash and under the control of an adult)-
•American pit bull terrier
•English bull terrier
•Staffordshire bull terrier
•Bull mastiff
•Dobermann pinscher
•German shepherd (Alsatian)
•Rhodesian ridgeback
•Rottweiler
•Japanese akita
•Japanese tosa
•Bandog

including any 'breed strain or cross' of the named breeds (American staffordshire terrier being a strain of pitbull for axample)



I agree that if they are going to continue to be allowed that legally requiring them to be muzzled should be the alternate step. It wouldn't keep them from turning on owners in their homes but at least it would provide protection to the public at large.
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So of 'Dangerous Breeds' should that then include the Pincher, the Shepherd or the Alaskan breeds? All can represent a dangerous animal at times. What of so many other 'Hunting' or 'Guard' breeds? All too encompassing to call for one's destruction and not the others.



I have no problem with banning any of them that are known to have killed innocent people who were doing nothing to harm them.
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