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I have no problem with banning any of them that are known to have killed innocent people who were doing nothing to harm them.



thats pretty much a ban on all dogs then!

(if you look hard enough you can find a fatal attack for almost every breed - including chihuahua)

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Maybe we should ban humans, too.
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This was a joke or story someone sent my husband at one time, from the way it's written, I think it was probably true.

Anyway, I guess monkeys certainly need to be added to the list!

~~~~~~~~

Truck Stop Monkey

As a man that has reached the ripe old age
of 48 I can promise you I have seen some **** go down.
This one totally takes the cake for me though.
I was waiting out front of a truck stop back in
the mid-80's. Sitting on a park bench with a guy
that had a big Rottweiler kinda dog on a leash
with him. I tried to make small talk but he was
quite a sourpuss. So we sat in silence for a
few minutes until the most unexpected thing I have
ever seen, happened right before my very eyes.

While we were sitting there a big 18 wheeler pulls
in without a trailer (bobtail) so he parks right up front
like a normal car would. Inside the cab of the truck
with the driver is a little monkey. The dance for the
organ grinder kind. Well the dog spots this lil monkey
and proceeds to go ape over it. Lunging at the end of
his leash and barking at the top of his lungs.

Generally making a real spectacle of himself
to say the least. The driver is obviously upset,
but not nearly as much as the monkey is.
Actually, upset may be the wrong adjective to
use for the monkey though. In retrospect
I think eagerly aggressive may be a more appropriate
description for his disposition. He was pacing the
dashboard back and forth. Never taking his eyes off
of this very aggravating dog.

The driver opens his little triangle window that they don't
make on cars anymore. The ones made for smokers back
in the day. He yells out to this guy to call his dog off because it is
upsetting his monkey. The guy laughs and says no way (I told
you he was a jerk didn't I?). Says that his dog ain't bothering nobody.
The dog hasn't shut up since he laid eyes on the monkey.
I promise you he is bothering everybody for several blocks around.

Now here's where things start to get interesting. The driver
says that if he doesn't call his dog off he's gonna let his monkey
loose on that dog. The guy laughs and says that his dog
would eat that monkey alive. Upon hearing this, the driver
leans over and reaches into his glove box I guess.
Pulls out one of those tiny baseball bats like you
used to get at Astroworld or carnivals, and places
it in the monkey's hand.

The monkey obviously knows what's about to go down because
he is now trying to squeeze out of that little triangular
window I mentioned earlier. This monkey has murder in his
eyes if I have ever seen it. Driver hollers, "Last chance
to save your dog man." In response, the guy lets his dog
off of the leash. Now we have a situation that has
escalated to the point where we have a dog jumping up
at the window and a monkey screaming profanities
right back at him.

Well, the driver finally rolls down the regular window
and out leaps all kinds of miniature primate hell.
The dog never knew what hit him. Quick as a flash
this monkey is riding on the back of this dog's neck.
His two back feet all wrapped up in his neck fur with
one hand hanging onto an ear. The other hand as
you may have guessed by now is steadily and mercilessly
raining down blows about this dog's head and face.
I mean hard blows. You can hear them whap whap whap.

Well it only took a moment for the dog to realize he
was in way over his head. He bolts yelping bloody murder
as he runs away at full speed. I mean this dog is running
so hard he's throwing up tufts of grass and dirt as
soon as he leaves pavement. The monkey still riding him
and beating on him the whole time. The dog's owner
acts like he wants to fight now, but several people
including myself stepped in to stop that nonsense.
In a couple of minutes or so the little monkey comes
loping back with his little bat still in hand, and
leaps up into the still open window of the truck to
await his master who has gone on into the store.

The guy ran off to try to go find his dog, but I
don't know if he ever did. My ride showed up and I had
to go. Never again in this lifetime will I see something
so totally crazy and unexpected like that. I am both
fortunate and humble to have been so privileged to be
present for such an event.

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I have no problem with banning any of them that are known to have killed innocent people who were doing nothing to harm them.



thats pretty much a ban on all dogs then!

(if you look hard enough you can find a fatal attack for almost every breed - including chihuahua)




Good point but if an able bodied adult allowed a chihuahua to kill them I would blame the adult. Chihuahuas may act aggressive towards strangers but when they get up close to you their aggression dissipates. They seem to know that they are not going to win if they get into a battle with you, a much larger human.

I would have no problem limiting the ban to large dogs like pit bulls and others which are known to pose a serious threat to adult strangers they meet. If someone needs a large dog for their own protection there are other ones that will provide that protection without the degree of ferocity and aggressiveness of pit bulls.

I would also hold people liable if they allowed an aggressive dog to harm their young child. People need to recognize that dogs, especially pit bulls, can pose a threat to their children.
 
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I would also not recommend a monkey for a pet. Especially one that carries a bat.
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Good point but if an able bodied adult allowed a chihuahua to kill them I would blame the adult.



You have previously never mentioned that the victim had to be an 'able bodied adult'.

Most dog attack victims are children and most victims of fatal dog attacks are also children.

Chihuahuas may act aggressive towards strangers but when they get up close to you their aggression dissipates. They seem to know that they are not going to win if they get into a battle with you, a much larger human.

there is a report of a 6 yearold being badly (although not fatally) attacked by a pack of 17 chihuahuas.



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If someone needs a large dog for their own protection there are other ones that will provide that protection without the degree of ferocity and aggressiveness of pit bulls



I think that you are rather missing the point of having a guard/protection dog.

Much of the benefit of a guard/protection dog is deterrence - ever notice how police dogs are usually dark colored? (it shows off the white teeth) the whole point of a guard /protection dog is that it looks scary and if needs be IS scary - a St Bernard even though it is possibly twice the size of a pitbull is not nearly so effective at scaring people nor, should visual impact fail, be so effective at actually using force
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Good point but if an able bodied adult allowed a chihuahua to kill them I would blame the adult.



You have previously never mentioned that the victim had to be an 'able bodied adult'.

Most dog attack victims are children and most victims of fatal dog attacks are also children.

Chihuahuas may act aggressive towards strangers but when they get up close to you their aggression dissipates. They seem to know that they are not going to win if they get into a battle with you, a much larger human.

there is a report of a 6 yearold being badly (although not fatally) attacked by a pack of 17 chihuahuas.



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If someone needs a large dog for their own protection there are other ones that will provide that protection without the degree of ferocity and aggressiveness of pit bulls



I think that you are rather missing the point of having a guard/protection dog.

Much of the benefit of a guard/protection dog is deterrence - ever notice how police dogs are usually dark colored? (it shows off the white teeth) the whole point of a guard /protection dog is that it looks scary and if needs be IS scary - a St Bernard even though it is possibly twice the size of a pitbull is not nearly so effective at scaring people nor, should visual impact fail, be so effective at actually using force



As I've mentioned it all boils down to a cost benefit ratio. Is the benefit of having pit bulls, a breed that is responsible for most of the fatal dog attacks in this country, worth the price of people being attacked by them?

Your point about most of the victims being children is a good one. Children don't get to decide whether they will have a dangerous beast living with them. Their parents do.

Just to protect children alone pit bulls probably should be banned.
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As I've mentioned it all boils down to a cost benefit ratio. Is the benefit of having pit bulls, a breed that is responsible for most of the fatal dog attacks in this country, worth the price of people being attacked by them?

and suppose you wave a magic wand and all the pitbulls disappear, then what?
the people that want a pitbull will buy something else (Dogo Argentino, Fila Braziliero, Presa Canario) you have not solved the problem of fatal dog attacks - you will only have changed the name of the attacking breed.

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My sis in law has owned two Pit Bull breeds, both exceedingly gentle and huge couch potato lap pansies, also females and spayed. Cannot rule on all as some are not a problem.
I personally have had Husky mix, pure bred Malamute, St. Bernard and associated small breeds the wife had to have. The most viscious we have had is a Dachshound male we currently have. Hardly huge or identified aggressive breed but will bite most anyone within reach.

My malamute was over 110 pounds yet would allow a baby to molest his face and ears unchallenged. I do know of others that did not fare as well with aggressive Alaskans and St. Bernard's that had to be put down.
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Large dogs don't always mean I'm going to chomp your face off dog. Some of them do, I noted the Dogo Argentino, basically a Mastiff is banned in quite a few countries. I wouldn't own a chow either or any dog that could do such damage or one I knew I couldn't keep control of, which seems to be the problem with the owners of these dogs that kill or injure not only humans but other dogs. If I had a dog purposely for guarding the home, it would be an outside dog, always and I don't believe in that.
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No, but many of the guard breeds (such as those mentioned and many others) do have a bred in propensity to attack.

Many breeds of large dog have been bred to be docile (due to the difficulty of handling a large truculent dog) Even such breeds as Boxers, Staffordshires (English type)and bull mastiffs have in recent years had much of the aggression bred out of them - but you might not know how effectively it has been bred out until its too late!

Many people in all innocence (stupidity) buy a dog they like the look of or have had recommended to them without ever a thought to what the dog was bred to do, boxers were bred for years to take part in bull baiting and are still used in NZ to hunt and pin down feral pigs in a similar manner to what they did with bulls 200 years ago.

you cannot afford to over look 200 years of breeding, that said few dogs have been specifically bred to kill humans (Neopolitan Mastiff, Bull Mastiff Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero are the only ones that come to mind) but deprived of its natural outlet any dog bred for aggression may turn to humans.


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If I had a dog purposely for guarding the home, it would be an outside dog, always and I don't believe in that.



a guard dog outside is almost useless, a guard dog should be with what it is supposed to be guarding but really very few people really need a guard dog what they need is an alarm dog which is alert and vocal!
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I know all too many Shepherd base animals as very docile(neighbor's and friend's/family's animals), the 'Breed' does not necessarily equate to 'Danger'. St Bernards are usually quite docile yet I have seen a few that had to be caged then put down due to aggressive behavior.
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I know all too many Shepherd base animals as very docile(neighbor's and friend's/family's animals), the 'Breed' does not necessarily equate to 'Danger'. St Bernards are usually quite docile yet I have seen a few that had to be caged then put down due to aggressive behavior.



I bet it was canine hormone imbalance. Were they bitches?
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Banning pit bulls could still save some lives. Right now they are the biggest problem.

And I question how much of a benefit they really are to those who want them. A friend of mine had to have one put down that she loved because it started attacking other dogs in her home and turned on her when she tried to stop it.

They are very aggressive dogs.
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birdcharm, grow up, did I say that of the animals? I stated that SOME females experience hormone imbalances and YES there are clinics to treat just that, that exhibit hostility and anger tendencies that border on dangerous to others until they receive those therapies.

Young woman that had my child in 1977 was determined to be 'Bi-Polar' in the 80's, she was under a psychiatric care physician until her Mother took her to a NEW OBGYN, the NEW doctor diagnosed and se treatments for her HORMONE issue and she no longer needed the shrink. Sadly she passed in 1996 from a botched hip repair surgery in KCKs. She was actually a good person to be around after the hormone replacement therapies.
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I'm not surprised till recently bi-polar was often misdiagnosed, many don't have psychotic periods just a lot of meloncholia and depression, that is why scans have become so important. I'm assuming she was young so it wasn't a lack of hormones, it would be she was estrogen dominant and what would be treated by prescribing extra progesterone. Typically this is caused by stress, crash diets, birth control pills.
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You've got to excuse me, but when I first read ,offset=30#post33443]this post mentioning "aggressive behavior" and then jumped to this thread where it was mentioned again, well, it begged the question as to whether or not the dogs were female! emoticon

As many have mentioned, breed in itself does not necessarily determine the demeanor of the dog, as training also plays into this, as well as environment and other things. So when things go wrong, it doesn't make sense to attribute it only to breed -- and, in terms of the other thread, we can't automatically attribute bad behaviors strictly to the state of being female (or pubescent, or pubescent female.)

For people, I personally feel that the experiences of childhood is what forms much in the way of behavior patterns or "life traps" as they have also been named. I'm not saying that hormones can't play a role; in the situation you have described, problems could have been from a combination of hormones and parental relationships. I'm sorry you lost a good friend so young.










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I'm ready for the 'eyeroll' (my husband does it) and it isn't that I disagree it can be environment but I watch Judge Judy and not a day goes by where a pit bull or mix with another large aggressive dog, usually a mastiff or English Bull Terrier has either bit or locked on to a person or another dog. The vast majority of these owners being sued are often with their kids are loving owners, a few with their smart answers you can see are neglectful to abusive, typically young males. It appears to me that you are tossing it to the wind and keeping your fingers crossed nothing happens, although all deny their dog is aggressive or dangerous, even when they have gotten a second chance, dogs that have previously bitten a person or another dog. Twice they take your dog and put it down.
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I think that people need to control their animals in all ways possible. Yet, breed in itself does not determine how a dog is going to react in any given situation, any animal with sharp teeth can be dangerous in some way.

When I had a little dog, I would walk him in the park. I always carried a pepper spray with me. He was always on a leash with a harness. It happened so often that someone with a dog not on a leash would come close. I would then find a need to call over to the owner to ask them to leash their dog. So often the reply, "he's friendly, he doesn't bite." Once they realized that my little dog was thinking he was a big dog, they seemed to understand.

The thing is that no one can tell how the animals are going to react.


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That's why I suggested a muzzle and smaller kids or persons with lack of strength not walking these dogs, that and a gate, door left open or a fence in need of repair, they escape. That is not the animals fault, I'd try and escape as well! Two ways I'd hate to go, being mauled by an animal with those teeth and burning.
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i read there is over a million wild dogs roaming the streets of Houston and that they usually travel in packs. That scared the hell out of me. Years ago. I was in Homestead Florida which is remote country like area close to the everglades. my car broke down, and i was walking to a gas station to call for help, this was before cell phones were invented. When i saw a group of wild dogs, headed my way running. I thought for sure i was a goner. I decided to ignore them and i avoided eye contact and continued to walk just as i was walking before. They then surrounded me and started to growl. I basically gave up and prepared to be attacked. Then the strangest thing happened, they went away. I have no idea why. If i had tried to run or scream i'm sure that would of worked them up into a frenzy. I've since learned not to make eye contact with dogs that growl at me and this seems to work. If i try to be friendly to dogs that growl it seems to make them more aggressive.

I don't know. I guess i really should read up on what to do when dogs act aggressively towards you. Especially if we have a problem with wild dogs running in packs in cities .

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when I was a child street dog packs used to be common but I havent seen one in many years
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