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How Trump Ate America


How Donald Trump ate the nation: The President has inserted his toxic brand of politics into every last corner of American life

One of the most evergreen tropes in our national political lexicon is that America is deeply, perhaps impossibly divided, riven between two competing ideologies. This idea stretches back before the founding of the Republic and seems to take on only slight variations over time. Today, those divisions are as cultural as they are political.

We argue about sexual harassment. Hollywood. Race. Statues. The honesty of the media. The precise role of religion in society. Feminism. The NFL. Immigration. You name it: there are at least a dozen topics, some of them only tangentially relevant to public policy, much less law-making, in Washington, but all reliably creating deeper divisions and seemingly unbridgeable rifts between one America and another.

And the man who salivates over and benefits from these divides more than anyone is a onetime liberal New York billionaire real-estate developer. Donald Trump, now President, fans the flames at every opportunity he gets — by creeping into every corner of our culture.

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Trump hasn't just infused every single aspect of our politics, but, like some Japanese movie-monster kaiju he's furiously, inexorably consuming our culture, from entertainment to business to education and every other institution in between.

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Powerful as it is, Trump's cultural overhang even darkened the sun this holiday season. His incessant claims that he finally liberated Americans from an imaginary tyranny forbidding them from saying "Merry Christmas" were as ever-present as they were ludicrous.

It's clear what is happening here. Trump's relentless, overwhelming drive in life was never to become President. It was never even simply to become ubiquitous.

He is the ultimate fame monster, a rabid consumer of public regard, attention and adulation. No drug is more powerful for him than exposure. He is a man who lives by the philosophy of ratings uber alles.

He didn't get in the race to Make America Great Again. His dream wasn't to wisely yield the awesome power of the highest office in the land. It wasn't to lead our nation in good times and bad.

His dream was always to be the most famous person in America, and beyond. By winning the Presidency he became the most famous person in the world, the center of every debate and discussion.
Ask the British about the strains on the Special Relationship after Trump decided to beef with Prime Minister Theresa May on Twitter over phony "Muslim" videos, combining his special brand of bigotry, his love of fake news when it fits his narrative, and an itchy Twitter finger.

And so, now much to the President's delight, just as reality TV is our national guilty pleasure, Americans can't seem to look away from Trump Show.

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For the sake of the future of the country, I hope we resolve to change the channel.

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I would change it to How Trump HATES America.
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He may be laughing at how this all played out and how he got into this position.

From the media propping him up to how he was encouraged to run to how the DNC turned so many people off that they didn't vote ... so many things played into how he's sitting in the White House today.

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He may be laughing at how this all played out and how he got into this position.



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He may be laughing at how this all played out and how he got into this position.

From the media propping him up to how he was encouraged to run to how the DNC turned so many people off that they didn't vote ... so many things played into how he's sitting in the White House today.




Laughing would be for 'normal' people, I think he thinks he deserved it, he is brilliant, he is making America great again and believes most his b.s. I've known Trumps before, just without that kind of $$, couple in my family......
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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.
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Aaahh, the joys of being led by a 7 year old schoolyard bully.

someone wrote, Trump's button only looks bigger because of his tiny hands.


 seriously, I think most people ignore his tweets until he does something especially dumb, which is starting to happen daily.
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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.



More likely they didn't want to support either candidate so they stayed away.

Add to that the fact that everyone thought that Hillary was going to win by a huge margin which meant that people didn't think that they had to turn out and vote against Trump. After all, he was going to lose so why bother voting for someone you don't like just because she's the lesser of two evils?
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Yobbo's math is also wrong again.
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There were 132,899,453 votes cast, 55% of those who could vote. Trump 61,898,584, Clinton 63,551,979. The balance of several million were for, Johnson, Stein, McMullin and other.
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Yobbo's math is also wrong again.



The arithmatic may have been askew but the fact remains that a lot of Americans didn't vote and of those who did a majority voted for the losing candidate.

Yep, that sounds like democracy to me!
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A majority voting for the losing candidates happens all the time in the Parliamentary system you're so fond of.
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Not really. Parliaments all don't roll the same either. In the UK(correct me Mary) if no party wins the overall majority it is a "hung parliament," the leader of the party goes to queen and asks for her okay to be in, then in a few weeks or months they call an election. France has a parliament but not a Queen.
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In a parliamentary system with three or more parties it's not uncommon to see a "minority government" - that is, the party that wins the election (i.e., has the most seats) still has less than half of the seats in the house.

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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.




I don't think we should blame for voters for this ordeal. I wouldn't say that Americans don't value democracy, it's quite the opposite. What you are saying is tantamount to someone stealing something you value and when you complain about it, being told that you shouldn't complain if you cared about it. The democratic nominee didn't pull out a sufficient number of voters in order to win.

P.S. I agree with the folks that say that Bernie would have won -- he would have gotten (yes! gotten) people out to vote, imo.


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Bernie was only able to get 43% of Democrats to support him in a two-person race. The angry old man would have ended up with even more anti-Trump voters staying home.
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Bernie was only able to get 43% of Democrats to support him in a two-person race.



It's not clear how much of that was due to the actions of the DNC.

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The angry old man would have ended up with even more anti-Trump voters staying home.



I doubt that - a lot of anti-Trump voters stayed home because rightly or wrongly they really despised Hillary and didn't want to hold their noses while they voted for her. Bernie didn't bring that baggage with him.
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What DNC actions reduced his share of the votes cast in the primaries?

Sanders alienated a large portion of the Democratic voters, and his presence on the ballot would have brought many voters who were comfortable with a Clinton win, and didn't vote or voted third-party, back into the Republican column because Sanders is a self-proclaimed "Eugene V Debs socialist."
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A majority voting for the losing candidates happens all the time in the Parliamentary system you're so fond of.



No it doesn't. In NZ we have a government of three parties, none of which received as many votes as the new opposition party (previous government) but together they did. Some form of proportional voting is more common than not although the UK still has a first past the post form of voting.

The American system of voting a monarch to a term of four years is a silly one.
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So your party that received the most votes in the election lost the election. How incredibly !@#$ democratic!
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What DNC actions reduced his share of the votes cast in the primaries?



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None of those things provide any evidence that Sanders was deprived of votes in the primaries.
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Have it your way.
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My way is a result of reading about what happened and understanding the campaigns. Your way seems to providing a list of a Google search that presents articles that counter your own claim.
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This is from one of the first articles (from The Nation, a hotbed of Sanders support) in your Google list you used to support your claim:

What the Leaked E-mails Do and Don’t Tell Us About the DNC and Bernie Sanders

Thousands of e-mails show that the committee came to loathe Sanders’s campaign. But there’s no evidence that they rigged the primaries.

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So your party that received the most votes in the election lost the election. How incredibly !@#$ democratic!



It happens to be the party of which I am a member. Our party got 44% and 56 seats. The Labour party got 37% and 46 seats. The 3rd party got 7% and 9 seats while the Greens - 6% and 8 seats. So you can see that the new government received 50% of the vote - what is not democratic about that?

Trump got 46% while Clinton's score was 48%.
Can you spot the difference?

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quote:

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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.




I don't think we should blame for voters for this ordeal. I wouldn't say that Americans don't value democracy, it's quite the opposite. What you are saying is tantamount to someone stealing something you value and when you complain about it, being told that you shouldn't complain if you cared about it. The democratic nominee didn't pull out a sufficient number of voters in order to win.

P.S. I agree with the folks that say that Bernie would have won -- he would have gotten (yes! gotten) people out to vote, imo.





I do blame voters, 200 million were registered to vote and approximately 133 million voted and we got Trump.
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From an L.A. Times article:
"Trump won the election by prevailing in the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that, together, gave him 46 electoral votes. In Michigan, he edged Hillary Clinton by just three-tenths of a percent. In Wisconsin, the margin was eight-tenths. In Pennsylvania there was a slightly larger gap of 1.2%."

In about a half dozen states where Sanders won in the primary, Clinton won them in the general. In the primary, Sanders won in Michigan and Wisconsin, but those states were lost in the general. In about a dozen states where Sanders won in the primary, they went to Trump in the general. With this in mind, it seems that it wouldn't have really taken all that much.

In regard to the DNC having a bias toward one candidate over another ... that's not what they are supposed to do. If you're looking for "evidence" for something, it may well not be found anywhere in any leaked e-mails. There are many things that could negatively affect a primary that wouldn't have been discussed in the e-mails. It may be that, for instance, the discussion of the (low) number of debates was never within e-mails. There are many other similar scenarios that weren't contained in any e-mails. As for the convention and what happened there, it wasn't a good deal.






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quote:

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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.



More likely they didn't want to support either candidate so they stayed away.

Add to that the fact that everyone thought that Hillary was going to win by a huge margin which meant that people didn't think that they had to turn out and vote against Trump. After all, he was going to lose so why bother voting for someone you don't like just because she's the lesser of two evils?



Because she was the lesser of two evils. It's interesting that the importance of that fact about a candidate is lost on some people when it is time to elect a president. Giving the worst of two candidates access to the White House makes no sense at all and can lead to disaster. It certainly has in the past.

And I certainly didn't assume she was going to win because I know how sexist this society is. I expected it to be an election that would be close with either candidate possibly winning. If not for sexism she would have easily beaten Trump.

The assumption that he was going to lose was one promoted by the media and particularly by its use of polls. The problem is that by constantly talking about those polls giving Hillary the edge right up to the election the media was encouraging all the pro-Trump voters to get out and vote while encouraging democratic voters to not bother. In just a few states that was enough to get him elected.

Either the "liberal" mass media wanted Trump to win or they didn't recognize their own power to affect the election in a way they didn't want to affect it. I suspect the latter although it almost seems like they wanted Trump to win because they certainly helped him to win the election. To some extent they seemed to be working to make him look better as the feisty candidate who "stood his ground" and wouldn't back down, etc. Also, they seemed much more interested in talking about him than in covering Hillary and her historical candidacy.

  

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Still insistent on argueing the electorate as undemocratic
I mean really, move on as the argument is old and dead
The US has lived with it for 200 years I doubt it will go away.

As far as Trump hating and the topics noted they predate DT as to Legal and Law arguments so the OP is incorrect at leverage for demeaning the politics at hand
As to the reason DT is Potus is due to politics As Usual by BOTH parties prior to the last election.
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