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What DNC actions reduced his share of the votes cast in the primaries?



Take your pick.
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None of those things provide any evidence that Sanders was deprived of votes in the primaries.
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Have it your way.
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My way is a result of reading about what happened and understanding the campaigns. Your way seems to providing a list of a Google search that presents articles that counter your own claim.
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This is from one of the first articles (from The Nation, a hotbed of Sanders support) in your Google list you used to support your claim:

What the Leaked E-mails Do and Don’t Tell Us About the DNC and Bernie Sanders

Thousands of e-mails show that the committee came to loathe Sanders’s campaign. But there’s no evidence that they rigged the primaries.

https://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-leaked-e-mails-do-and-dont-tell-us-about-the-dnc-and-bernie-sanders/
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So your party that received the most votes in the election lost the election. How incredibly !@#$ democratic!



It happens to be the party of which I am a member. Our party got 44% and 56 seats. The Labour party got 37% and 46 seats. The 3rd party got 7% and 9 seats while the Greens - 6% and 8 seats. So you can see that the new government received 50% of the vote - what is not democratic about that?

Trump got 46% while Clinton's score was 48%.
Can you spot the difference?

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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.




I don't think we should blame for voters for this ordeal. I wouldn't say that Americans don't value democracy, it's quite the opposite. What you are saying is tantamount to someone stealing something you value and when you complain about it, being told that you shouldn't complain if you cared about it. The democratic nominee didn't pull out a sufficient number of voters in order to win.

P.S. I agree with the folks that say that Bernie would have won -- he would have gotten (yes! gotten) people out to vote, imo.





I do blame voters, 200 million were registered to vote and approximately 133 million voted and we got Trump.
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From an L.A. Times article:
"Trump won the election by prevailing in the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that, together, gave him 46 electoral votes. In Michigan, he edged Hillary Clinton by just three-tenths of a percent. In Wisconsin, the margin was eight-tenths. In Pennsylvania there was a slightly larger gap of 1.2%."

In about a half dozen states where Sanders won in the primary, Clinton won them in the general. In the primary, Sanders won in Michigan and Wisconsin, but those states were lost in the general. In about a dozen states where Sanders won in the primary, they went to Trump in the general. With this in mind, it seems that it wouldn't have really taken all that much.

In regard to the DNC having a bias toward one candidate over another ... that's not what they are supposed to do. If you're looking for "evidence" for something, it may well not be found anywhere in any leaked e-mails. There are many things that could negatively affect a primary that wouldn't have been discussed in the e-mails. It may be that, for instance, the discussion of the (low) number of debates was never within e-mails. There are many other similar scenarios that weren't contained in any e-mails. As for the convention and what happened there, it wasn't a good deal.






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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.



More likely they didn't want to support either candidate so they stayed away.

Add to that the fact that everyone thought that Hillary was going to win by a huge margin which meant that people didn't think that they had to turn out and vote against Trump. After all, he was going to lose so why bother voting for someone you don't like just because she's the lesser of two evils?



Because she was the lesser of two evils. It's interesting that the importance of that fact about a candidate is lost on some people when it is time to elect a president. Giving the worst of two candidates access to the White House makes no sense at all and can lead to disaster. It certainly has in the past.

And I certainly didn't assume she was going to win because I know how sexist this society is. I expected it to be an election that would be close with either candidate possibly winning. If not for sexism she would have easily beaten Trump.

The assumption that he was going to lose was one promoted by the media and particularly by its use of polls. The problem is that by constantly talking about those polls giving Hillary the edge right up to the election the media was encouraging all the pro-Trump voters to get out and vote while encouraging democratic voters to not bother. In just a few states that was enough to get him elected.

Either the "liberal" mass media wanted Trump to win or they didn't recognize their own power to affect the election in a way they didn't want to affect it. I suspect the latter although it almost seems like they wanted Trump to win because they certainly helped him to win the election. To some extent they seemed to be working to make him look better as the feisty candidate who "stood his ground" and wouldn't back down, etc. Also, they seemed much more interested in talking about him than in covering Hillary and her historical candidacy.

  

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Still insistent on argueing the electorate as undemocratic
I mean really, move on as the argument is old and dead
The US has lived with it for 200 years I doubt it will go away.

As far as Trump hating and the topics noted they predate DT as to Legal and Law arguments so the OP is incorrect at leverage for demeaning the politics at hand
As to the reason DT is Potus is due to politics As Usual by BOTH parties prior to the last election.
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