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No Arguments to make yobbo, firearms kill no one by themselves, no more than autos or trucks or trains, a human is at the controls. So we ban autos and trains and trucks as they kill people by your standards.



And drugs kill no one by themselves, a human is in charge. The user. But yet the government blames the drugs when users overdose. Otherwise government attorneys and other officials wouldn't call heroin a "killer."

My view is that the government should either stop blaming the drugs or start blaming the guns. It needs to at least be consistent.




Could not be access to those drugs already ILLEGAL? Could not be due to a person finding a way around the system of controls? Desperate people do desperate actions to achieve the desired results. Ending the access may not stop the problem but making it 'Legally legitimate' does not fix it either.

And currently the firearm is generally blamed not the shooters not the conditions that present the shooters, not the problems in society that create conditions the shooters of weapons or illegal drugs or legal drugs used to excess either.

Address those and maybe the issues resolve to a much less extreme level. Throwing money at the poor has never stopped them from remaining poor, all the ridiculous programs to support the needy have done is exacerbate the conditions. Cheaper housing costs on abodes they cannot or will not maintain, cheaper foods they buy to excess then throw away or sell, or sell the access card/stamps/coupons to buy drugs, liquor or garbage that does nothing nutritionally. Making 'Free' healthcare(Medicaid) failed as they did not use doctors they filled E-rooms with illness that did not belong there. The list goes on and on of failure of Good Intentions followed with ever more good intended actions that do no better and the feed bag of wasted taxes just continues.

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75% of drug seekers get their drugs off the street and that is illegal and dangerous. The drug isn't being held accountable, the person is Philer and my wish is not the user but the dealers be jailed. If persons didn't head to the street there wouldn't be this issue and doctors can't continue to Rx for drugs when people are taking a dozen a day and not just taking orally but cutting, snorting or shooting. There is also the issue of doctor/hospital hopping for pills, which has been curtailed by electronics. With your response why do we need physicians to prescribe anything, if I need an antibiotic, why can't I just buy it OTC or my blood pressure pills or meds for diabetes, my heart and so on.
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Could not be access to those drugs already ILLEGAL? Could not be due to a person finding a way around the system of controls? Desperate people do desperate actions to achieve the desired results. Ending the access may not stop the problem but making it 'Legally legitimate' does not fix it either.-cooter



Nor does it fix the problem of gun violence to keep guns legally available. We still have plenty of such violence including children being killed, little people who are not even legally allowed to carry guns for their protection.

In the case of drugs like heroin making it legal would fix two big problems. That of addicts not knowing what dose they were taking as well as not knowing what was mixed with their drug of choice. So, just like guns, heroin should be legally available to addicts.

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And currently the firearm is generally blamed not the shooters not the conditions that present the shooters, not the problems in society that create conditions the shooters of weapons or illegal drugs or legal drugs used to excess either.



I always blame the users of both guns and drugs. The difference is that guns being available to violent criminals increases the problem of gun violence while a drug like heroin being available to addicts would make it safer for users to use it. So it would make sense to lessen the restrictions on heroin while increasing them on guns if that would result in fewer violent criminals having them.

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Address those and maybe the issues resolve to a much less extreme level. Throwing money at the poor has never stopped them from remaining poor, all the ridiculous programs to support the needy have done is exacerbate the conditions. Cheaper housing costs on abodes they cannot or will not maintain, cheaper foods they buy to excess then throw away or sell, or sell the access card/stamps/coupons to buy drugs, liquor or garbage that does nothing nutritionally. Making 'Free' healthcare(Medicaid) failed as they did not use doctors they filled E-rooms with illness that did not belong there. The list goes on and on of failure of Good Intentions followed with ever more good intended actions that do no better and the feed bag of wasted taxes just continues.



Even from a practical economic standpoint helping the poor helps the rest of society. They spend the money and food stamps they receive. That helps business owners and corporations.

Programs like Medicaid aren't worthless programs. And if they were eliminated we'd just have even bigger problems unless we replaced them with some sort of program that was even better like national health care.
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75% of drug seekers get their drugs off the street and that is illegal and dangerous. The drug isn't being held accountable, the person is Philer and my wish is not the user but the dealers be jailed.



When prosecutors are calling heroin a "killer" that sounds a lot like they are blaming the drug itself. As I've pointed out, heroin is no more a killer than guns are.

And if there is nothing morally wrong with using a drug like heroin what could possibly be wrong about selling heroin to an adult? Why blame the dealers and lock them up in jail? Unless they are allowing poison to get into their stock they are simply filling a demand.

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If persons didn't head to the street there wouldn't be this issue...



And if people could handle painful withdrawal symptoms without heading to the street they wouldn't do so. The problem is that this society allows them to get addicted and then tries to solve that problem by taking away the drugs they need to avoid those withdrawal symptoms.

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...and doctors can't continue to Rx for drugs when people are taking a dozen a day and not just taking orally but cutting, snorting or shooting.



Sure they can. If people choose to risk their lives by doing those things about all that can be reasonably done is to make sure they know the risks. Make sure they understand that they are responsible for what happens, not the "evil" drugs. Locking them up in prison or locking up doctors in prison is certainly not a reasonable thing to do.

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There is also the issue of doctor/hospital hopping for pills, which has been curtailed by electronics. With your response why do we need physicians to prescribe anything, if I need an antibiotic, why can't I just buy it OTC or my blood pressure pills or meds for diabetes, my heart and so on.



Most people don't know exactly what ails them or what medications to take so a doctor should be an overseer of what medications they are taking when they are ill with things like high blood pressure or diabetes. When a person is suffering from pain that is a bit of a different story. A doctor can't even diagnose pain like he can high blood pressure or diabetes. Pain control is something which by necessity must be more under the control and supervision of the patient.
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Pain can also be controlled thru one's own mind or allowed to play within the subject if allowed to run wild or decide they cannot or will not manage it. I have learned pretty well self taught to control the depth of pain I have. Had to, resistance to the meds pretty much made them useless which I chalk up to the necessity of addicts to demand more, seek more, set higher dosages for themselves in feeble attempts to make it stop. Next train in the station OD.
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75% of drug seekers get their drugs off the street and that is illegal and dangerous. The drug isn't being held accountable, the person is Philer and my wish is not the user but the dealers be jailed.



When prosecutors are calling heroin a "killer" that sounds a lot like they are blaming the drug itself. As I've pointed out, heroin is no more a killer than guns are.

And if there is nothing morally wrong with using a drug like heroin what could possibly be wrong about selling heroin to an adult? Why blame the dealers and lock them up in jail? Unless they are allowing poison to get into their stock they are simply filling a demand.

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If persons didn't head to the street there wouldn't be this issue...



And if people could handle painful withdrawal symptoms without heading to the street they wouldn't do so. The problem is that this society allows them to get addicted and then tries to solve that problem by taking away the drugs they need to avoid those withdrawal symptoms.

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...and doctors can't continue to Rx for drugs when people are taking a dozen a day and not just taking orally but cutting, snorting or shooting.



Sure they can. If people choose to risk their lives by doing those things about all that can be reasonably done is to make sure they know the risks. Make sure they understand that they are responsible for what happens, not the "evil" drugs. Locking them up in prison or locking up doctors in prison is certainly not a reasonable thing to do.

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There is also the issue of doctor/hospital hopping for pills, which has been curtailed by electronics. With your response why do we need physicians to prescribe anything, if I need an antibiotic, why can't I just buy it OTC or my blood pressure pills or meds for diabetes, my heart and so on.



Most people don't know exactly what ails them or what medications to take so a doctor should be an overseer of what medications they are taking when they are ill with things like high blood pressure or diabetes. When a person is suffering from pain that is a bit of a different story. A doctor can't even diagnose pain like he can high blood pressure or diabetes. Pain control is something which by necessity must be more under the control and supervision of the patient.



Not true, pain can be vague and a warning some avoid, as in having heart problems or when is a migraine just a migraine. Pain means a diagnosis and treatment by a physician not a lay person. Not all pain stems from bad back/neck,knees etc., pain can be the cause of many different things going on in your body. People also self treat with pain medication when they don't need to, often you aren't suffering from what you think you are.
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Can attest to quite a few hypochondriacs that when feel a twinge after using muscles they have not for awhile claim the need for extreme meds. Know two for a point that were healthy as a horse, one sprained a knee, KNEW he needed surgery as was hurting so bad. Doc offered a steroid treatment regimen which he declined insisting in something surgical. First doc said in no way required, suggested Naproxim Sodium(Aleve) to mitigate until would heal, the man went to five different doctors until his knee actually healed on its own, he still complains but walks fine and manages to ride horses as well four wheelers and race jeeps in mud.

Second was a older gal, with a "Bad Back" was told she had osteo-arthritis and to engage in mitigation exercise programs, another decline, she moved doc to doc until ran out of availables, went to some quack Chiro that determined she had five herniated discs, put her in a brace and required her to endure weekly realignments and a welcomed prescribed 'narcotic'. That is until his practice closed due to lawsuits and injury claims. She was on Hydrocodone low dosage or at least thought so, until the pharmacist let on she was receiving a placebo ordered by the chiro, ended up being a mild pain reliever noted as 'Similar' and a 'Generic Substitute' to low dosage Hydrocodone.
Was essentially Tylenol extra strength with codeine. Her pain was mostly in her head.
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