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Iceland banned strip clubs. Good idea?


Many of these laws make sense but the ban on strip clubs seems to be restricting women who may want to make money by taking off their clothes on stage. That appears to be a violation of their right to perform their "art" in the name of protecting them.


https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/7-iceland-feminist-law-women/
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They will just have to get used to the idea that women are not for sale."
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Besides, think of all the savings on heating bills! emoticon

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Island is unique country with some unique problems.
One of which is that everyone is related.
Should your cousin be dancing naked for you ?

Well ?

Note the highlited line, which is common, before a couple gets involved, and it is not about if you are related but how closely.

The Iceland family tree
So, it’s official. Everyone in Iceland is related. Every member of the 300,000 population derives from the same family tree, according to genealogy website islendingabok.is.



The next day there was an email from him waiting in my inbox. I opened it and discovered a list of names and dates of birth – a family tree. I recognized some of the names and soon realized that this was a list of my ancestors and my boyfriend’s ancestors, all the way back to the 18th century.

Apparently we share a great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother, whose name was Gudrún Einarsdóttir. She was born in 1742 and died in 1784. I derive from her son, Einar (born 1762), and my boyfriend from her daughter, Hallfrídur (born 1770).


My brother found this information on the website islendingabok.is, which hosts the online registry Íslendingabók (“The Book of Icelanders”). In it one can find information about the families of about 720,000 individuals who were born in Iceland at some point in time. Anyone who is registered in the database has free access to it. I had heard about this phenomenon, but never actually browsed through it.

Íslendingabók is the product of a cooperation between Icelandic company deCODE Genetics and Fridrik Skúlason, who first began registering genealogy information in 1988 into a program called Espólín. In 1997 Skúlason and deCODE began cooperating on registrations for genealogy research and Íslendigabók was born.

Íslendingabók claims to be the only genealogy database in the world that covers a whole nation. More than 95 percent of all Icelanders born since 1703, when the first national census was taken, are registered into the database and half of all Icelanders who have lived on the island from the settlement in 874 and until 1703.

....Genealogy can in fact be considered a national sport in Iceland. When people introduce their partners to the elderly members of their family for the first time, they usually ask: “Hverra manna er hann (eða hún)?” which translates to: “Who are his (or her) people?” In the Icelandic sagas each character is introduced by a long listing of his or her ancestors.

... I typed the name of Binni í Gröf into Íslendingabók to confirm my relations to him. I quickly became fascinated by this online genealogy database and decided to try and disprove my brother’s theory. I typed in the names of all my friends, their mates, my colleagues and just random people I could think of, only to discover that we all had common ancestors somewhere along the line.

I am related to Iceland’s most famous singer, Björk; we share ancestors who were born in the early 19th century. I and the president, Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson, both derive from a couple born in the early 18th century. I am also related to Icelandic painter Jóhannes Kjarval, handballer Gudjón Valur Sigurðsson and to the modern “witch” Adalbjörg Thorsteinsdóttir, who I interviewed last week.

I am also related the hero Grettir “the strong” Ásmundarson from the Icelandic saga Grettissaga, who, funnily enough, may have been a fictional character. Snorri Sturluson, who probably wrote most of the sagas in the 12th and 13th century is my ancestor, as is the first settler in Iceland, Ingólfur Arnarsson, who moved to the island from Norway in 874.

http://icelandreview.com/stuff/views/2007/02/08/iceland-family-tree

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They will just have to get used to the idea that women are not for sale."



In what way are striptease performers "for sale?" And if they are "for sale" are women who pose in the nude for photographers also "for sale?" As well as actresses who appear nude in films?

Unless Iceland bans HBO and every film and magazine which contains female nudity, they are just needlessly and inconsistently restricting the freedom of some women to do what they may want to do to make a living.
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Geezess,

I would think that if it is OK for Icelanders to marry one another that watching an Icelandic woman perform a striptease would not be out of bounds. Besides women not native to Iceland could be hired by strip club operators if it was inappropriate for Icelanders to be performing this sort of "art" for other Icelanders.

Of course the question still remains, is it morally wrong for women to work as strippers? The people in Iceland seem to think it is.
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Besides, think of all the savings on heating bills! emoticon



From what I've heard about these sorts of performers they generate their own heat. emoticon
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Geezess,

I would think that if it is OK for Icelanders to marry one another that watching an Icelandic woman perform a striptease would not be out of bounds. Besides women not native to Iceland could be hired by strip club operators if it was inappropriate for Icelanders to be performing this sort of "art" for other Icelanders.

Of course the question still remains, is it morally wrong for women to work as strippers? The people in Iceland seem to think it is.



If it is true as far as marrying it is over many generations true for many countries and it doesn't matter any more, no one is marrying a close relative. I don't mind if the woman is not forced or desperate some women actually like it as a profession.
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They will just have to get used to the idea that women are not for sale."



In what way are striptease performers "for sale?" And if they are "for sale" are women who pose in the nude for photographers also "for sale?" As well as actresses who appear nude in films?

Unless Iceland bans HBO and every film and magazine which contains female nudity, they are just needlessly and inconsistently restricting the freedom of some women to do what they may want to do to make a living.



do you know any strippers? i do, my neighbor is a stripper.
there are a lot of problems, women are being taken advantage of by not only the customers but the owners. Especially if they are young and new to stripping.

did you know they have to pay the club to strip? and that sometimes after working all night, they end up going home losing money? That happens a lot. My neighbor has to pay 300.00 to strip for four hours, do you get it now? how she sometimes loses money.

She travels to Wyoming, and Montana to strip there because strip club regulars like new women, and because those type of clubs don't charge as much to strip as they do in Vegas and
she can make more money. Still it's not really a art, it's not at all like going to the ballet, or a dance recital.

The only talent needed is figuring out the music, moves, makeup, hair, outfit, and your stripper name.

most women do it, not because it's a talent/art but because it's a means to a end.



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do you know any strippers?-snowpixie



Yes. I know one who works as both a singer and a stripper. She works in a burlesque show which is very different from a "gentlemen's club."

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i do, my neighbor is a stripper.
there are a lot of problems, women are being taken advantage of by not only the customers but the owners. Especially if they are young and new to stripping.



I don't doubt that they are. That's where the law should be used to prevent that sort of thing. But using the law to do that is very different from outlawing an entire profession.

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did you know they have to pay the club to strip? and that sometimes after working all night, they end up going home losing money? That happens a lot. My neighbor has to pay [sign in to see URL] to strip for four hours, do you get it now? how she sometimes loses money.



Again laws should be passed to prevent that sort of thing. There is no sense in legally allowing such needless exploitation.

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She travels to Wyoming, and Montana to strip there because strip club regulars like new women, and because those type of clubs don't charge as much to strip as they do in Vegas and she can make more money. Still it's not really a art, it's not at all like going to the ballet, or a dance recital.



I suspect that depends on the nature of the venue and the show itself. In some burlesque shows like the one my friend has worked in the striptease parts of the show may feature live music and elaborate costumes as well as dance moves. They are a little more sophisticated than the pole dancing in "gentlemen's clubs."

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The only talent needed is figuring out the music, moves, makeup, hair, outfit, and your stripper name.



Sounds like it at least has the potential to qualify as art.

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most women do it, not because it's a talent/art but because it's a means to a end.



Most likely true but that wouldn't keep it from being art.
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