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No, I don't. I've seen countless news segments on the local TV news programs and the network news about the so-called opioid epidemic but nothing about any gun epidemic



and yet Google has MILLIONS of these very headlines you claim not to have seen - the phrase "wilfull ignorance" comes to mind.


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It's fine that a few newspapers and magazines have used that sort of terminology but the TV news sources haven't



No Philer NOT "that sort of terminology" THEY USED THE VERY PHRASE WHICH YOU CLAIM THEY DONT USE.

Kudos however for your next claim - that only media sources which might be found on an internet search engine use the claim - that is a good one! (totally unpersuasive but good none-the-less)

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/02/20/exp-gps-0218-last-look-america-gun-violence.cnn

http://www.reuters.tv/v/Yra/2017/05/23/nyt-blasts-u-s-gun-epidemic-on-front-page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaK5x192HKM (CNN news feature)

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It's by far one of the favorite subjects of the mass media in this country and any talk about gun violence is generally handled quite differently.



NOT according to the 15 million hits from a google search!



I couldn't care less about a google search. I know what I've experienced listening to local and network news for a long period of time. Constant blabber about the "opioid epidemic" and "crisis." I have not heard the same constant and continuous talk about a "gun epidemic." I have heard about gun violence but that's understandable since there has been so much of it.

The constant jabber about an "opioid epidemic" is propaganda. It's like constantly saying there is a "motorcycle epidemic" because there are so many fatal motorcycle accidents.

What have we actually experienced? A lot of tragic drug overdoses because some people have been very careless in using narcotics and other depressant drugs. Often mixing them together.


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The risk of addiction is directly proportional to how someone uses a narcotic. If they use it carefully and according to the instructions the risk is minimal.



got a link for that?


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The notion that the drug manufacturer is responsible for someone misusing a drug and becoming addicted to it is ludicrous



On that we at least agree, the first place to look to is the prescribing doctor, prescribing unnecessary opiates, for too long without adequate oversight.

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It's the user who is responsible.


NOT if the user was precribed the opiate and used it as per doctors instruction

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One there is no correlation between guns and drugs and it isn't just about addiction it is death and misinformation by Pharma and going off label by what info they gave doctors. No one blinks an eye when the drug is not a narcotic, yet billions and billions are paid out by pharma in this century alone for misinformation regarding their product when they lie and the effect is gross as in the suit against Mercks Vioxx, over 26,000 people costing Merck almost 5 billion which ended this money making drug and made clear how Nsaids were to be dosed. People who buy guns know full well what can happen when they buy a gun, there are people across this country and maybe on this board there is medicine in your cabinet that can harm or kill you and you don't know it
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I couldn't care less about a google search. I know what I've experienced listening to local and network news for a long period of time




Question for you Philer, when the TV or radio news is on do you put your fingers in your ears and chant "NO NO NO NO NO NO "

or is your head so far up your fundus that you cant hear it any way?

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I have tried and tried to explain often these doctors are prescibing way over the amount needed, longer than needed and knowing the person is not in pain or the pain has decreased that Tylenol would be appropriate but they got them purposely hooked to keep coming back, you want to prescibe off label or not disclose
 when !@#$ goes down whether an MD or Pharma you will be knee deep, on any and all drugs


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16% of U.S. counties, enough opioid prescriptions were dispensed for every person to have one

◦While the overall opioid prescribing rate in 2017 was 58.7 prescriptions per 100 people, some counties had rates that were seven times higher than that

Long, GA(2016) 0.1 opiate prescriptions per 100 residents
Hancock, IA 0.3 per 100
Worth, IA 0.8 per 100

SO WHY

Colbert, AL 208 per 100
Franklin, AL 223 per 100

WHY do some places have prescribing rates which are almost 1000 times some other places?

and whilst some places have rates of less than 10 per 100 why do so many have rates of OVER 100 per 100?

WHY do the people of America 'need' so much pain relief?

Why do so many americans 'need' heavy duty pain relief for so long?

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got a link for that?-mais



If I provided a link where somebody else stated the fact would that make it more believable? The more carelessly someone uses a narcotic the more risky and potentially addictive that use is.

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On that we at least agree, the first place to look to is the prescribing doctor, prescribing unnecessary opiates, for too long without adequate oversight.



The first place to look is the user. People are responsible for using a drug according to instructions. Narcotics can be used safely if instructions are followed. Doctors are to blame when they prescribe drugs that are harmful when used as prescribed.

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NOT if the user was precribed the opiate and used it as per doctors instruction



So your view is that patients are like puppets manipulated by their puppet masters, the doctors? Don't patients have any responsibility for monitoring their own drug use and making sure that they are not harming themselves by improperly using the drugs they take?
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One there is no correlation between guns and drugs and it isn't just about addiction it is death and misinformation by Pharma and going off label by what info they gave doctors. No one blinks an eye when the drug is not a narcotic, yet billions and billions are paid out by pharma in this century alone for misinformation regarding their product when they lie and the effect is gross as in the suit against Mercks Vioxx, over 26,000 people costing Merck almost 5 billion which ended this money making drug and made clear how Nsaids were to be dosed. People who buy guns know full well what can happen when they buy a gun, there are people across this country and maybe on this board there is medicine in your cabinet that can harm or kill you and you don't know it



What misinformation? When you get a prescribed narcotic you are given a lot of information about that drug and warnings about how dangerous it is to take.

And the comparison between drugs and guns is an obvious one. The people who use them or who leave them lying around where children can get access to them are responsible for what then happens.

As I have pointed out people know that narcotics are addictive just like they know that guns are dangerous. If the problem is ignorance about the importance of not mixing them with other dangerous drugs, people need to be clearly informed about that danger. Certainly some celebrities have appeared to be unaware of that danger when they have overdosed on a mixture of narcotics and other depressant drugs, including alcohol.
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I couldn't care less about a google search. I know what I've experienced listening to local and network news for a long period of time




Question for you Philer, when the TV or radio news is on do you put your fingers in your ears and chant "NO NO NO NO NO NO "

or is your head so far up your fundus that you cant hear it any way?



My head is no place where it shouldn't be as I presume yours is also, mais. LOL

And I generally listen very carefully to the news about any sort of epidemic. Of course that has been here in America, not in the UK. As I said, I've heard a lot of talk in the mainstream TV news media about the "opioid epidemic" but none about a "gun epidemic." A little bit of talk about gun violence but that is very different from specific talk about a "gun epidemic."

"Opioid epidemic" is very specific propaganda. It implies that somehow narcotic drugs are an epidemic. Not drug overdoses or the misuse of those drugs by careless people. The suggestion is being made that all by itself a narcotic can generate an epidemic and kill a bunch of people. That's bullshit.
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By misinformation it is going off label on any medicine when it was not disclosed by the company, it is not in the PDR
 it is not on the info sheet given by your pharmacist and the FDA didn't know either when they passed it,, which means precribing over the dose and for a longer period of time and knowing the risks, you have sent drug reps to every facility promoting a lie and when !@#$ happens they pay. In the case of vioxx the info given by reps was not disclosed that doubling the dose and using over 10 days caused heart attacks and stomach bleeds. Doctors off prescribe off label sometimes it comes back to bite them (why mapractice is so high,) in the ass and sometimes it's Pharma. Gosh Philer
 "everybody knows" don't do that,not everyone knows and besides you have left out the trust issue between doctors and their patients, that one probably wouldn't share with the person they bought a gun from
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