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Doctors no matter a narcotic or any drug or services are held to a certain standard and it is the way the vast majority represent themselves , that you don't get it is no matter.



Of course doctors are held to standards as any professional is. What I'm pointing out is that doctors are not responsible when people overdose on a narcotic. That would apply even if they made a mistake and prescribed narcotics to someone who didn't need them or prescribed a 6 month supply of a narcotic instead of a 1 month supply.

As you know when you're prescribed a narcotic you are not left in the dark about how dangerous the drug is. That places the responsibility for safely using it squarely on the patient.

What the public may need more of is an emphasis on the fact that mixing narcotics with other depressants can easily be fatal. That's something that some people, including some celebrities, have apparently not known.
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Your opinion in my view is due to your lack of experience. Fifteen years in a clinic assisting about 5,000 patients a year, 22 years in at hospital and thousands more, there are the trusting, naive, vulnerable and uneducated, older and younger are susceptible as are some very religious, the type you can scam for money. You cannot be in the minds of 325 million people and claim what they know or don't know, i find that extremely dangerous!
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Your opinion in my view is due to your lack of experience. Fifteen years in a clinic assisting about 5,000 patients a year, 22 years in at hospital and thousands more, there are the trusting, naive, vulnerable and uneducated, older and younger are susceptible as are some very religious, the type you can scam for money. You cannot be in the minds of 325 million people and claim what they know or don't know, i find that extremely dangerous!



I realize that people vary greatly in how much they know and how much they want to know about narcotics, even when they are taking them. But their responsibility to know what they are doing doesn't go away unless they are mentally incompetent.

I've read a lot about narcotics. It wasn't until I did that I realized they should be legalized, including heroin. That's because I found out despite all the popular mythology to the contrary that they are not inherently harmful to the human body. They don't necessarily cause any lasting harm. To be harmful they have to be misused. And misuse is always the responsibility of the user.

Even if the society is full of people who don't want to accept that responsibility when using narcotics and others who don't want them to who all want to blame others including doctors the responsibility for using a narcotic still falls on their shoulders. We haven't been doing users any favors by suggesting that responsibility lies elsewhere.
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So there is no such thing as being naive,vulnerable or trusting, you leave it to everyone knows, your fault, your foul, that isn't real life. You've read alot about it, whoopdeedo, stop whatever crap you are reading and seek out real human beings and maybe after a time period you'd get it. Life experiencein nursing i taught me far more than any book, in my profession with patients taught me far more than any lousy book, professor or MD. I don't want to hear what you learned from books, I want to hear about the hundreds or thousands of addicts you have come across and you can't provide that, so that so called book learning means absolutely nothing, zero, nada, nil.
 
 
 
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What books have provided is knowledge about the narcotics and their side effects. I'm not claiming that they provided much information about addicts. They did inform me that contrary to myth, narcotics are not inherently harmful to the human body.

And keep in mind that your knowledge of addicts is in an irrational society where heroin is illegal and junkies are considered pariahs who have sometimes needed to be locked up in prison. To say the least, that is a complication in getting an objective view of addiction or at least, addiction in a more rational society.

I think you and I agree that legalization is a better option and that allowing addicts to get their narcotic of choice without being worried about going to prison would be an improvement over what we have now. It certainly would make the use of heroin by those who want to use it a lot safer.
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I don't pay attention or really give a damn about society, it is the addict and their treatment. I agree when taken as directed they aren't inherently dangerous and for long periods. There is no replacement for narcotics, what bothers me about politicians and the media is not addressing the need of the other 85-87 percent of patients who don't abuse and need them to manage pain so they can enjoy a quality of life.When I went to nursing school pharmacology class was not that long or in depth. In the hospital you just follow orders, my knowledge came from the chief resident in medicine who asked if I'd come with him to open a practice, before becoming a MD he was a bio chemist and in 15 years I learned far more from him than books or 25 yrs in tje hospital, I am a 'drug queen.' I found I had a knack for chemistry more than I thought.
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I agree when taken as directed they aren't inherently dangerous and for long periods. There is no replacement for narcotics, what bothers me about politicians and the media is not addressing the need of the other 85-87 percent of patients who don't abuse and need them to manage pain so they can enjoy a quality of life.



I'm concerned about that too, katie. I believe I saw one local news story about this problem but most of the news stories have been about the "opioid epidemic."

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In the hospital you just follow orders, my knowledge came from the chief resident in medicine who asked if I'd come with him to open a practice, before becoming a MD he was a bio chemist and in 15 years I learned far more from him than books or 25 yrs in tje hospital, I am a 'drug queen.' I found I had a knack for chemistry more than I thought.



I had a knack for it also. That's one reason why I have a Bachelor's Degree in chemistry.
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