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when taken up on your presumptuous claims) try to backpedal by claiming, " I never said that!"



I didnt read it - but when I did I addressed it mean while I await my education on Irish history

If you think Amritsar is relevent to the America electoral system then how relevent are
"the Californian Indian Genocide"
"the Bloody Island Massacre"
"The Ludlow Massacre"
In my view they are precisely as revelevant - that is either very relevent or not at all - you choose!

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In Montana it took 246,000 to elect a Democrat. Senate seat are not apportioned ion the basis of population. Stay in the U.K. If you don't like our system. It has worked very well for well over 200 years.



It has worked well except for things like The Civil War over slavery, something the British ended without any civil war in any of its colonies, and all the other irrational political conflicts like the current ones over the abortion and gun control issues and the unnecessary foreign interventions and wars.

We probably would have been better off if we had simply remained a British colony. The rest of the world would probably have been better off also.
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It has worked well ........



maybe, maybe not

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It has worked well ........



maybe, maybe not



I doubt that it has worked as well as the Founding Fathers imagined it would work. If they had known what would happen they might have preferred to simply remain a British colony despite the drawbacks in doing that.

Just avoiding The Civil War alone would have justified remaining a British colony.
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I doubt that it has worked as well as the Founding Fathers imagined it would work.



well the electoral college system is a total failure!

read Federalist paper #68

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"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. "





"Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity" - remind you of any one?


curiously EVERY TIME a candidate with a minority mandate hase been elected President it has been a Republican elected over a majority winning Democrat (probably a coincidence)

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The point still is the US never claimed to be a democracy.
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the US never claimed to be a democracy but many Americans claim their country to be one.

And America does promote democracy around the world - despite foregoing it for itself


Democracy and respect for human rights have long been central components of U.S. foreign policy. Supporting democracy not only promotes such fundamental American values as religious freedom and worker rights, but also helps create a more secure, stable, and prosperous global arena in which the United States can advance its national interests. In addition, democracy is the one national interest that helps to secure all the others. Democratically governed nations are more likely to secure the peace, deter aggression, expand open markets, promote economic development, protect American citizens, combat international terrorism and crime, uphold human and worker rights, avoid humanitarian crises and refugee flows, improve the global environment, and protect human health.
https://www.state.gov/j/drl/democ/



Elections: Understanding democracy in a divided America; Elections are a pillar of American democracy

https://news.stanford.edu/2018/10/09/elections-understanding-democracy/


The United States has long held itself up as a bastion of democracy. It has promoted democracy around the world

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-fight-to-preserve-democracy-has-come-home-to-america-2018-11-06


As I say, America may not call itself a democracy but Americans frequently do

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No they don't claim that, what we claim is we are democratic, democracy is a term used loosely by those who identify themselves as not being one of the "bad guys." Certain Euro countries are unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchies, as is Japan, Germany is a federal parliamentary republic, France a unitary semi-presidential republic, the US, a federal presidential constitutional republic, yet we all consider ourselves favouring democracy over say authoritarian, a dictatorship, a monarchy or communist, so when we use the word democracy we are talking about certain freedoms other countries do not provide, not that we roll as a democracy as a system of govt.
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No they don't claim that, what we claim is we are democratic



BUT YOU ARENT!!!

To be in any way 'democratic' you would need at least to have democratic elections and you dont.

there is nothing in the least way democratic about the way the president is elected - you have a vote your vote is counted and then ignored! the president being chosen by a group of unelected 'electors' who (in most states) dont even have to follow your lead.

the situation for the Senate isnt much better the level of your representation depending entirely on what state you live in

and anyway the difference between being a 'democracy' and being a 'democratic country' is a bit fine dont you think?

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Once more you're out to lunch, mais oui.
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