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Is incest all that bad?


This is a defense I hadn't heard of before. I wonder who turned Starr in.

Lawyers argue over incest at sentencing

by Jessie Stensland
Friday, December 14, 2018 5:22pm

Two attorneys sparred over the question of whether incest is really all that bad during a sentencing hearing in Island County Superior Court Thursday.

Although only a difference of two months were at stake, prosecution and defense attorneys argued aggressively over how much time Jed I. Starr should spend in prison. Starr, on Oak Harbor resident, pleaded guilty by way of an Alford’s plea to incest Nov. 1. An Alford’s plea means he doesn’t admit his guilt but realizes he would be found guilty at trial.

Starr had a sexual relationship with his daughter, beginning when she was 18 years old, and impregnated her, court documents state.

In the end, San Juan County Judge Katherine Loring, who was filling in for Judge Alan Hancock, agreed with the prosecution and sentenced Starr to 14 months in prison; the standard sentence range was from 12 to 14 months.

Loving said she found the defense’s argument that there was no victim to be “offensive” and the parent-daughter power dynamic was a key component to the crime. She also said Starr did not seem to express any remorse for his daughter.

During the hearing, Steve McKay, Starr’s attorney, compared incest laws to archaic sodomy laws of the not-so-distant past and argued that there’s no rational reason for sex between adult, consenting relatives to be illegal, beyond the “visceral” reaction to the thought of incest.

He said the state’s incest statute is rarely used and three other states have repealed such laws.

“What evil is it we are trying to protect society from?” he asked rhetorically.
McKay even quoted former presidential candidate Rick Santorum: “If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”

Santorum, however, was not saying he wanted any of those acts to be legal.
The defense attorney also focused on the culpability of Starr’s daughter, saying she was just as guilty as Starr is.

Deputy Prosecutor Michael Safstrom argued that the young woman was vulnerable and desperate for a parent’s affection when Starr began having sex with her. She spent her childhood being abused and neglected by her mother and in a series of foster parents; she also was a victim of sexual abuse as a child and had overdosed three different times.

The woman had never met Starr until he suddenly showed up in her life when she was 18 after she was hospitalized for a seizure. She was homeless and lonely. She needed a caring parent, Safstrom said, but instead Starr moved her to Whidbey, supplied her with alcohol and had sex with her.

Safstrom said Starr has consistently denied he was at fault and blamed his daughter. In a telephone call, Starr claimed what happened wasn’t a big deal “because in the state of Washington you can legally marry a goat now,” the prosecutor said.

Safstrom said the child who resulted from the incest is also a victim and will have to live with the knowledge of her parentage for the rest of her life.

Four people spoke in support of Starr during the hearing and others wrote letters describing him as a caring person and a hard worker. One woman said he’s an amazing person who does everything he can to help others and is an amazing father.

Starr spoke before he was sentenced. He said he was sorry for any pain he caused anyone, but was “deeply hurt” by Safstrom’s characterization of his actions.

“He has no idea what really happened,” he said.

In a statement to the Department of Corrections, Starr wrote that he and his daughter fell in love and had a child together.

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As usual blame the victim!


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Safstrom said Starr has consistently denied he was at fault and blamed his daughter



In our culture of rape it's always the female who is at fault. MGTOW - the inalienable right of men to take what they want and call it consensual!

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The woman had never met Starr until he suddenly showed up in her life when she was 18 after she was hospitalized for a seizure. She was homeless and lonely. She needed a caring parent, Safstrom said, but instead Starr moved her to Whidbey, supplied her with alcohol and had sex with her.

Safstrom said Starr has consistently denied he was at fault and blamed his daughter. In a telephone call, Starr claimed what happened wasn’t a big deal “because in the state of Washington you can legally marry a goat now,” the prosecutor said.



He sounds like a real piece of work or at least a piece of something.

My view is that consent is not all that is needed in cases like this, especially when the level and quality of consent is highly questionable.

Some people consent to suicide but that doesn't mean that it makes sense to legalize it or condone it.
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Why should suicide be against the law? Does the state own our bodies?
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The supreme penis rules all! Vaginas should bow down and worship these masters of the universe!

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Why should suicide be against the law? Does the state own our bodies?



No, but the state's primary job is to protect the public. That can include protecting them from themselves.

Suppose some doofus wanted to have his feet surgically removed and replaced with springs. Should that be legal? It would obviously involve him controlling his own body.
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The state only steps in when adults are deemed incapable of taking care of themselves, or are a threat to others.

they can be mentally ill and on the street, like this young women was and the state won't care or do anything since she's 18

until she bore a child. They they take the child away, and do nothing for the mother.

i guess your comment about someone implanting springs on their feet, has me baffled, the state doesn't care about that either. unless it's a blotched job and you die. Then they will go for the performing Dr. license.



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The state only steps in when adults are deemed incapable of taking care of themselves, or are a threat to others.

they can be mentally ill and on the street, like this young women was and the state won't care or do anything since she's 18

until she bore a child. They they take the child away, and do nothing for the mother.

i guess your comment about someone implanting springs on their feet, has me baffled, the state doesn't care about that either. unless it's a blotched job and you die. Then they will go for the performing Dr. license.



So it is legal for a doctor to amputate a person's feet or limbs merely because they want that to happen? If so, it's probably only because that hasn't happened. And if it is legal, it shouldn't be. It would be asinine to allow such butchery merely because someone wanted it done.

Lots of recreational drug use is illegal. If the state isn't trying to protect people from themselves while restricting what they do with their bodies what is the reason for that kind of law?

The only reason why I believe heroin should be legal is because the state actually makes using heroin more dangerous by keeping it illegal. If restricting heroin would save lives and protect people from something that always harmed or killed them I would have no problem with that. That just isn't true to reality.
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"No, but the state's primary job is to protect the public. That can include protecting them from themselves."

That's authoritarianism.
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If I wish to kill myself there's not much the "gubment" can do about it what with guns being as available as popcorn! Of course if they wish to arrest my corpse that's OK with me. LOL! Most laws against suicide are based on Christian doctrine which means that making it illegal is tantamount to establishing a religion! In other cultures, ancient and modern, suicide is considered acceptable and even honorable.

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