The motorcycle epidemic https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t4398 Runboard| The motorcycle epidemic en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:25:43 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:25:43 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47810,from=rss#post47810https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47810,from=rss#post47810What do you mean by "Jap street bikes?"nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 16 Jul 2019 01:40:22 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47799,from=rss#post47799https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47799,from=rss#post47799This has been elaborated upon. Jap street bikes, primarily Ninja style, African American riders. Thanks to a witness they were out "Jackassing" in N STL as a group, wheel stands, careless lane changes, speeding they accessed I-70 which at that point of highway is three lanes wide, there is an ongoing investigation as to WHY they were harassing the SUV at 1:30 in the morning besides several being tested for BAC that FAILED there was a purported witness that came forward as to that SUV reported as being harassed. The bikes were on three sides of the SUV where the lead cyclist "Brake Checked" the SUV where that SUV either had no time to respond or was distracted by the other riders and did not respond but the SUV then drove up ON the Lead Cycle, the TWO Cycles Following the SUV being TOO CLOSE(Tailgating) then entangled trying to maneuver ran into the back of the SUV. You generally receive what you ask for if do it often enough. KEY Points JACKASSING!! and HARASSING another vehicle.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:56:59 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47795,from=rss#post47795https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47795,from=rss#post47795A recent crash involving several motorcycles on I-70 in North St. Louis. https://fox2now.com/2019/07/12/deadly-crash-involving-several-motorcycles-suv-closes-i-70-near-riverview/nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:48:52 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47794,from=rss#post47794https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47794,from=rss#post47794quote:katie5445 wrote: And I don't understand your comparison. Nothing to do with "morals" I wouldn't suggest addicts or bike riders have no morals. It is a matter of how does it effect your life and those around you? Heroin addicts do not make good partners, parents or worker bees, they scare their parents, extended family and friends half to death. Heroin is not thrill seeking nor should it be compared to addiction! The comparison isn't complicated, katie. Using heroin and riding a motorcycle are done for fun, for the "rush" one gets from doing those things. But only one of them is considered a serious crime when in reality it should not be classed as a crime at all. The reason why it was classed as a crime is because it was considered immoral behaviour, not because it disrupted families. Getting killed on a motorcycle can disrupt families also. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:43:45 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47774,from=rss#post47774https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47774,from=rss#post47774And I don't understand your comparison. Nothing to do with "morals" I wouldn't suggest addicts or bike riders have no morals. It is a matter of how does it effect your life and those around you? Heroin addicts do not make good partners, parents or worker bees, they scare their parents, extended family and friends half to death. Heroin is not thrill seeking nor should it be compared to addiction!nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Fri, 12 Jul 2019 00:23:21 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47756,from=rss#post47756https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47756,from=rss#post47756quote:katie5445 wrote: Should we stop people from having what some of us call thrill seeking or adventure seekers? Heck you won't catch me on a motorcycle, jumping from a plane or climbing the Himalayas or on a roller coaster. I was up late last night and I watched Kimmel's old Aunt Chippy zip line over Vegas, felt sick to my stomach and on freeway car trips, I gotta take half a xanax, I have also become claustrophobic, the last 5yrs. but people have enough banning and laws that cramp their freedom of what they enjoy. I'm raising teen grandkids in 2019, I'm up for banning everything, it's nasty out there folks. No, I see no good reason to try to stop people from thrill seeking. I just don't see any big difference between that and injecting heroin into one of your veins. And I certainly don't want the government locking people up for doing any of those things since there is nothing morally wrong with it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Mon, 08 Jul 2019 22:51:39 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47753,from=rss#post47753https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47753,from=rss#post47753Cannot ban Everything, also cannot make decisions based on panic attacks of an unknown or allow ones self to be overwhelmed by basically Nothing. If you have to take a Xanax to ride in a car for very long there is something else very real very wrong and it is not the car or road. Fear is our own worst enemy where once allowed to control grows in that control. Knee Jerking bad decisions on basis of fear that may or may not be relevant or actual is a bad way to live your life. I DO zip line, I have performed confined space rescue, I have had to climb out on a I-beam 40 feet above Anything with only a fall protection tether as my protection, I worked in a facility walking past steam pipes with pressure over 500psig and temperatures above 400 degrees F, on grating floors you could look straight down thru to 65 feet below and around voltages well above 13,800vac. You learn Respect for the dangers and control the fear, you do not fear the unknown but stay vigilant as to changes to the area you are in. Spider Sense is what we called it when it did not feel, sound or visualize well, then we made conscious decisions as to what to perform to preclude a danger to others.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 07 Jul 2019 13:05:35 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47748,from=rss#post47748https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47748,from=rss#post47748Should we stop people from having what some of us call thrill seeking or adventure seekers? Heck you won't catch me on a motorcycle, jumping from a plane or climbing the Himalayas or on a roller coaster. I was up late last night and I watched Kimmel's old Aunt Chippy zip line over Vegas, felt sick to my stomach and on freeway car trips, I gotta take half a xanax, I have also become claustrophobic, the last 5yrs. but people have enough banning and laws that cramp their freedom of what they enjoy. I'm raising teen grandkids in 2019, I'm up for banning everything, it's nasty out there folks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 06 Jul 2019 02:36:09 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47737,from=rss#post47737https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47737,from=rss#post47737quote:If YOU drive that way then maybe YOU need to stop as to seeing Target on Motorcyclists, have you considered YOU are part of the Problem? -cooter It would be nice if careless drivers stopped being careless but even if they did riding a motorcycle would still be much more dangerous than driving a car. The only way to stop people from being killed on motorcycles at a higher rate than car and truck drivers is to ban motorcycles. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Fri, 05 Jul 2019 00:32:23 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47727,from=rss#post47727https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47727,from=rss#post47727You don't and they are criminals, everyone in this country who drives is supposed to have a license and insurance. Persons who are caught without either by a ticket or an accident, is not escapable because of laws, all you can do is procescute them under the law. Humans break laws all the time, all you can do is try and enforce them which never means there are those who are going to break the law anyway, that is why we have laws in the first place.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Thu, 04 Jul 2019 04:53:28 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47719,from=rss#post47719https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47719,from=rss#post47719If YOU drive that way then maybe YOU need to stop as to seeing Target on Motorcyclists, have you considered YOU are part of the Problem? This on the NH incident, NOT the Motorcyclists fault, the TRUCK operator crossed the Double Yellow(Is a ticketable even when NOT passing in MO to place A or more tires across the DY Lines) and killed seven. The problem in this is his License should have ALREADY been revoked. MASS RMV handling of his previous Citations was tantamount to criminal. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-deadly-nh-biker-crash-thousands-of-out-of-state-traffic-notices-found-untouched-by-massachusetts-rmv/ar-AADKNCF?li=BBnb7Kz THIS is a issue that need be addressed, as is Driving NO LICENSE or NO Insurance but even with laws to stop there is NOT enough personnel to enforce. So how do we fix that?nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:33:16 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47711,from=rss#post47711https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47711,from=rss#post47711quote:katie5445 wrote: quote:Philer wrote: quote:Sounds like you've never been to London - you'll see any number of motorcycles parked in the City (the business district). And they're not being ridden by people with low incomes. The riders are simply people who like to be able to beat the traffic. If you don't want to go that far, look at Bermuda. Hardly a third world country but there are more motorcycles on the road there than there are cars. -shiftless I've been to London a few times but I don't remember a lot of motorcycles on its streets. I haven't visited Bermuda. Regardless of the number of motorcycles used in London or Bermuda it doesn't follow that they are safer than cars nor that they are truly necessary. quote:Reasonable cost? Given gas prices and the cost of parking in any city that's not really the case. Apparently a lot of people manage anyway because motorcycles are relatively rare. That's fortunate otherwise we'd see a lot more traffic fatalities. Motorcycles are not "relatively rare." Traffic fatalities, well I hate cars and driving, the fatalities world wide is 1.25 million people, with over 37k in the US and worldwide 20-50 million people are injured/disabled. Dumber/crazier yet, it getting in a silver tube at 35k feet and crossing the Atlantic Ocean, yet I and millions of others do it all the time. Compared to cars and trucks motorcycles are rare. And despite the danger of driving them, at least cars and truck provide a lot of protection compared to motorcycles. If you're riding a motorcycle you might as well have a target painted on your back. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Tue, 02 Jul 2019 18:36:50 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47702,from=rss#post47702https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47702,from=rss#post47702quote:Philer wrote: quote:Sounds like you've never been to London - you'll see any number of motorcycles parked in the City (the business district). And they're not being ridden by people with low incomes. The riders are simply people who like to be able to beat the traffic. If you don't want to go that far, look at Bermuda. Hardly a third world country but there are more motorcycles on the road there than there are cars. -shiftless I've been to London a few times but I don't remember a lot of motorcycles on its streets. I haven't visited Bermuda. Regardless of the number of motorcycles used in London or Bermuda it doesn't follow that they are safer than cars nor that they are truly necessary. quote:Reasonable cost? Given gas prices and the cost of parking in any city that's not really the case. Apparently a lot of people manage anyway because motorcycles are relatively rare. That's fortunate otherwise we'd see a lot more traffic fatalities. Motorcycles are not "relatively rare." Traffic fatalities, well I hate cars and driving, the fatalities world wide is 1.25 million people, with over 37k in the US and worldwide 20-50 million people are injured/disabled. Dumber/crazier yet, it getting in a silver tube at 35k feet and crossing the Atlantic Ocean, yet I and millions of others do it all the time.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 02 Jul 2019 03:16:59 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47689,from=rss#post47689https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47689,from=rss#post47689Bikes kill the riders. That is Darwinistic, so fine, but guns kill innocent bystanders, so perhaps the next great mind like Darwin.  nondisclosed_email@example.com (Geezesss)Sat, 29 Jun 2019 03:59:18 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47485,from=rss#post47485https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47485,from=rss#post47485 There are a lot of bikes in London and throughout Europe. They are used in mass privately for work/pleasure transportation and for deliveries, for many decades. Cars are very expensive to maintain in London with extremely outrageous fees. Parking in Central London, last I looked 25 pounds. Many choose the bus/tube and never have owned a car. When my husbands Nissan bit the dust he wanted to get another car, I said no way, a car was no faster than my walk, bus ride, tube ride. When we went on holiday, if we were into a road trip, we rented a car.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:03:03 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47476,from=rss#post47476https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47476,from=rss#post47476quote:Sounds like you've never been to London - you'll see any number of motorcycles parked in the City (the business district). And they're not being ridden by people with low incomes. The riders are simply people who like to be able to beat the traffic. If you don't want to go that far, look at Bermuda. Hardly a third world country but there are more motorcycles on the road there than there are cars. -shiftless I've been to London a few times but I don't remember a lot of motorcycles on its streets. I haven't visited Bermuda. Regardless of the number of motorcycles used in London or Bermuda it doesn't follow that they are safer than cars nor that they are truly necessary. quote:Reasonable cost? Given gas prices and the cost of parking in any city that's not really the case. Apparently a lot of people manage anyway because motorcycles are relatively rare. That's fortunate otherwise we'd see a lot more traffic fatalities. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:57:07 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47475,from=rss#post47475https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47475,from=rss#post47475quote:cooter50 wrote: With that the Motorcycle Stats as to being MORE dangerous do not hold water: https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcycle-crashes Motorcycles are a lot more dangerous than cars and many lives could be saved simply by banning them. From that same source you cited: quote:In 2016 motorcyclists were 28 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash per vehicle mile traveled.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:48:37 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47471,from=rss#post47471https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47471,from=rss#post47471quote:Philer wrote: If motorcycles are a necessity they are a necessity for a very small number of people compared to the number of people who drive cars. If they were truly a necessity I believe they would be much more common on the road. A lot more people with low incomes would be using them instead of relying on cheap used cars. Sounds like you've never been to London - you'll see any number of motorcycles parked in the City (the business district). And they're not being ridden by people with low incomes. The riders are simply people who like to be able to beat the traffic. If you don't want to go that far, look at Bermuda. Hardly a third world country but there are more motorcycles on the road there than there are cars. quote:There are plenty of cheap used cars available that provide drivers with a lot more protection than motorcycles do. And they provide good transportation to where you need to go at reasonable cost. Reasonable cost? Given gas prices and the cost of parking in any city that's not really the case.nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:10:56 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47465,from=rss#post47465https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47465,from=rss#post47465With that the Motorcycle Stats as to being MORE dangerous do not hold water: https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcycle-crashesnondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Mon, 10 Jun 2019 00:55:47 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47464,from=rss#post47464https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47464,from=rss#post47464https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclist_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/factsfigures/facts_safety.cfm These stats do NOT sell news, they cannot be exaggerated as to the deficiency of a machine as to safety so they are relegated to second class news and stats as this. nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Mon, 10 Jun 2019 00:54:00 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47459,from=rss#post47459https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47459,from=rss#post47459I road a bicycle as a kid on busy streets without a helmet and never had a serious accident or traffic collision. One time I did pitch forward onto the ground when I unintentionally slammed on the brakes too suddenly but I wasn't hurt. The odds of someone being seriously hurt on a motorcycle increase by leaps and bounds because of the speed involved combined with their lack of protection from impacts both on their own and from other vehicles. I seldom hear about a bicyclist being killed but often hear about motorcycle rider fatalities as well as very serious injuries. Things like having their legs torn off. If this society banned heroin out of concern for peoples' safety why shouldn't it also ban motorcycles? It could save lives that way as well as simultaneously get rid of motorcycle gangs. Of course it doesn't really ban heroin out of concern for anyone. It does so because it considers heroin use immoral and a sin. It considers the dangerous life threatening practice of riding a motorcycle to be a personal freedom that isn't immoral. That inconsistent attitude is the only thing keeping motorcycles from being banned. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:03:57 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47452,from=rss#post47452https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47452,from=rss#post47452Bicycles then are FAR more dangerous than motorcycles, they have no engine so operate slower, they become road impediments leading to road rage, they also are targets not of opportunity but chance when one tops a crest or rounds a corner at speed and the bicyclist is in the lane and no time to stop. They would then e required for recall as being such a hazard and no way to implement effective rules of the road for them.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:23:23 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47451,from=rss#post47451https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47451,from=rss#post47451quote:cooter50 wrote: Considering a Motorcycle can average greater than 50mpg as opposed to JUNK automobiles to get similar, riding for enjoyment while also saving money IS a necessity. Take less space when parked, can still carry significant package loads and can carry two people generally. If motorcycles are a necessity they are a necessity for a very small number of people compared to the number of people who drive cars. If they were truly a necessity I believe they would be much more common on the road. A lot more people with low incomes would be using them instead of relying on cheap used cars. There are plenty of cheap used cars available that provide drivers with a lot more protection than motorcycles do. And they provide good transportation to where you need to go at reasonable cost. I doubt that there is any real need for motorcycles at all. People have a right to use them but they aren't really needed. Just like heroin. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:04:27 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47450,from=rss#post47450https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47450,from=rss#post47450Considering a Motorcycle can average greater than 50mpg as opposed to JUNK automobiles to get similar, riding for enjoyment while also saving money IS a necessity. Take less space when parked, can still carry significant package loads and can carry two people generally.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:28:03 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47444,from=rss#post47444https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47444,from=rss#post47444quote:katie5445 wrote: We risk our lives on many different things which persons call a necessity. Riding a motorcycle is seldom if ever a necessity. Cars are about as cheap as motorcycles and you can buy a car that gets comparable mileage. quote:I don't think either are immoral, depending on the purpose and intent. A purely recreational purpose doesn't make either immoral. quote:I also believe the type of life a drug addict lives and one who rides a motorcycle, a completely different lifestyle. Doesn't necessarily have to be in the case of narcotic addiction provided you have legal access to your drug of choice. You can have a lot of control over your addiction and how you deal with it. quote:One can get you in vast amounts of trouble personally the other does not, unless of course your spouse objects......... That is not true and as a former ER nurse you should know that. Riding a motorcycle is trouble waiting to happen. You can easily be killed and also seriously maimed in ways that you will be slow or unable to recover from including severe brain damage. Narcotic addiction is almost a minor problem, or would be in a more rational society, compared to what happens to some people who ride motorcycles. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sat, 08 Jun 2019 19:44:27 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47420,from=rss#post47420https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47420,from=rss#post47420We risk our lives on many different things which persons call a necessity. I don't think either are immoral, depending on the purpose and intent. I also believe the type of life a drug addict lives and one who rides a motorcycle, a completely different lifestyle. One can get you in vast amounts of trouble personally the other does not, unless of course your spouse objects.........nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 08 Jun 2019 00:18:08 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47402,from=rss#post47402https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47402,from=rss#post47402quote:katie5445 wrote: Anything that is inanimate doesn't have the capability whether dangerous or not is a given.   I find it impossible to lump them all into one basket I don't agree with your definition of immoral, either. From drugs to guns to cycles. I don't recall stating what my definition of immoral is but regardless of anyone's definition, I don't see how using a narcotic for fun falls into that category if riding a motorcycle around in the streets and on highways doesn't. In both cases you're risking your life for whatever fun you get out of it but normally nobody considers that sort of thing immoral. That only seems to happen when people use narcotics for fun. If that's immoral, explain what's immoral about it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:02:58 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47384,from=rss#post47384https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47384,from=rss#post47384Anything that is inanimate doesn't have the capability whether dangerous or not is a given.   I find it impossible to lump them all into one basket I don't agree with your definition of immoral, either. From drugs to guns to cycles. nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Wed, 05 Jun 2019 16:46:47 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47372,from=rss#post47372https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47372,from=rss#post47372quote:katie5445 wrote: That isn't apples and oranges, it apples and squirrels. It's not even apples and oranges in regard to the point I'm making which is simply that motorcycles and narcotics are inanimate things which are dangerous but not immoral for people to use. Why shouldn't their use be treated the same way within our criminal justice system? You've never provided a reason to treat them differently. Nor has anyone else. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:03:13 +0000 Re: The motorcycle epidemichttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47364,from=rss#post47364https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p47364,from=rss#post47364That isn't apples and oranges, it apples and squirrels.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:24:15 +0000