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I agree that there are differences between liberal and conservative states like California and Texas but there isn't that much difference in how lenient juries in those states are in dealing with male defendants who have victimized women. Or their criminal justice systems in general.

For example, California gave a guy who had chopped off the arms of a young girl a 14 year sentence and then released him on parole after he had served only 8 years. Sometime after his release he murdered another young woman in Florida.

And of course we all know about O. J. Simpson being acquitted by a jury in California after he killed his ex-wife(allegedly, wink wink). As well as Robert Blake being acquitted by a jury after his wife was "mysteriously" murdered.

Texas juries have also allowed murderers of women to walk free. One of those women, Lenora Frago, was shot and killed by a nitwit using an assault rifle but his jury had no problem with that. They acquitted him, claiming he was justified in doing that under Texas law.
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It is a system that there are guilty who get off and innocents who go to jail. With humans I dont see that ending. I think it happens long before it gets to the jury, starting with police investigators to those building a case and making deals like Acosta did with Epstein.
I also think OJ guilty and I don't think he was alone either. I also think Robert Blake hired someone to murder his wife. Then again justice can be served, like Drew or Scott Peterson, Elizabeth Smart and many many other horrible cases of torture, rape and murder. I wonder if some day they will just feed a computer and "Hal" will come up with the verdict. What bothers me most about women is abuse when proved over years you need to act defensibly while being beat, that isn't going to happen.
 
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I don't see it happening either but it's not because evidence is weak in some cases where the guilty go free or strong but misleading in other cases where the innocent are convicted. When you have people on juries who believe in things like the war on drugs or the notion that men lose control of themselves if their wives misbehave it would be surprising if such a system didn't generate very bad results.

Jurors in this country go into trials believing all sorts of nonsense and bullshit. It's unrealistic to expect such poorly informed and largely ignorant people to do a good job of deciding the fate of defendants in a trial. Add to that their sexism and bias in favor of men and it's even less likely that the results will be good.
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I think that sounds very egotistical, everyone is not going to march lock/ step with your beliefs, opinions or judgements. It does not always mean they are poorly informed, ignorant or bias and keep in mind, people might think that of you.
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I think that sounds very egotistical, everyone is not going to march lock/ step with your beliefs, opinions or judgements. It does not always mean they are poorly informed, ignorant or bias and keep in mind, people might think that of you.



It might sound egotistical but it's just a realistic appraisal of the situation. The "war on drugs" has been an irrational war on people and any juror who endorses and supports it is unqualified to sit in judgment of defendants in drug trials and probably any other kind of trial. Jurors have been willing to send drug users to prison for significant sentences while other equally clueless jurors have been unwilling to send murderers to prison based on irrational ideas about temporary insanity and crimes of passion as well as a lack of respect for their victims. That sort of "justice" has been anything but just.



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That wasn't even close to my opinion the war on drugs is absurd. Anytime one person as a judge, 8 or 12 on a jury you have a human or humans deciding your fate. It can take one or 12 to screw you or let you off.
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That wasn't even close to my opinion the war on drugs is absurd. Anytime one person as a judge, 8 or 12 on a jury you have a human or humans deciding your fate. It can take one or 12 to screw you or let you off.



It doesn't generally work like it did in "Twelve Angry Men" where one juror saves a person from being convicted when the evidence is weak. More likely all twelve will agree that the evidence points to whatever conclusion they all want to reach which is based on how much regard they have for defendants versus the victims, when there are victims.

In cases involving drug users the only victims are the drug users themselves but yet quite a few jurors have had no problem sending them to prison with long sentences, strongly siding with the state. Often when they have turned against the state, as in violent homicide cases like the O. J. Simpson case, it is because they have been highly biased in favor of the defendant and unconcerned about the victims or their families.

"Twelve Angry Men" is supposed to show how wonderful our jury system is but what it really shows is that justice was contingent on there being one rational guy on a jury who was brave enough to stand up to a bunch of biased and prejudiced people who already pretty much had their minds made up. That's not a system that is going to work well. It's a method for achieving very mixed results at best.
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One juror saved Jodi Arias from the death penalty. It does happen and probably more frequent than we know. You dont have to keep bringing up drug users' I've always agreed. I dont believe in punishing people with a disease of mind or body.
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One juror saved Jodi Arias from the death penalty. It does happen and probably more frequent than we know. You dont have to keep bringing up drug users' I've always agreed. I dont believe in punishing people with a disease of mind or body.



Yes, one juror saved her from the death penalty which the prosecutor should never have asked for in the first place. But only one juror and no juror saved her from being convicted of first degree murder.

Why not? Her crime was like lots of other crimes committed in Arizona. Cases where boyfriends have murdered girlfriends. The difference is that she was convicted of first degree murder and given a sentence of life without parole while those boyfriend murderers were convicted of second degree murder and will be paroled back out into the community. That is not equal justice under the law.

The reason why I bring up drug users is to show how irrational jurors tend to be. Why would anyone go along with the state sending someone to prison for a long time just for illegally using a drug? They have to have a sense of morality that doesn't make any sense.
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Oh I think lots of boyfriends, partners, husbands have gotten just dues. You got OJ and Blake going free but Scott and Drew Peterson going down. High profile cases of fame , money, a cop and a middle class pregnant woman. The dismissed, prostitutes, runaways, those not of the right race, ethnic group. You remember Michael Monert and my daughter she was none of those but his family had $$$$ and a DA more interested in making deals than what ended up je was a murderer and rapist. Her case never got to the jury, a deal was made without her knowledge. As with Epsteins victims.You would think under those circumstances I would agree with you but I dont. because this happens all the time', a deal is made without the victims knowledge and there is no jury of 12 but two lawyers trying to advance their career at least jurors aren't in that game.

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