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More women die giving birth than having abortions - assuming that both are in properly equipped hospitals

there are in the US about 23.8 deaths per 100,000 births among women giving birth (a shameful figure that few are willing to address)

I cant get a recent death rate for legally induced abortion in the US but elsewhere its about 1.5 per 100 000



Good points. You've pointed out why nobody should be anti-choice. To truly be pro-life you have to be pro-choice.
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There have been cases where executing a murderer as originally planned would have saved several lives



and there are times when executing a murderer would have ended in the death of an innocent man.....your point?



That capital punishment is a very effective way to stop a murderer from killing more people. In Kenneth McDuff's case, a man who had killed three teenagers to start with and given the death penalty later rescinded by the Supreme Court, it would have saved the lives of twelve women or more.

He became a serial killer. Not surprising since he'd already murdered three teenagers. It was idiotic of the state of Texas to free him after 19 years in prison but they still did so supposedly due to prison overcrowding.

Recognizing the reality of its power to save innocent lives and supporting the death penalty for that purpose is very pro-life.
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That capital punishment is a very effective way to stop a murderer from killing more people



its just a very good way of killing people

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Also effective would have been, life imprisonment with no chance of parole. The death penalty is not a deterrent to murder, that has long been proven wrong. Letting serial murderers out is insane, there is no cure, no drugs, no amount of therapy that will make a serial killer other than what they are, mentally ill as one can possibly be and that is why I prefer life lock up instead of the death penalty. Take Jeffery Dahmer, with multiple psych illnesses that used to be classed as insane was fit for trial. A person who rapes(including necrophilia) torture, chopping up the body, storing pieces in jars in the fridge, then eating them, now if that isn't insanity, nothing is!
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That capital punishment is a very effective way to stop a murderer from killing more people



its just a very good way of killing people



Obviously not true.
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Also effective would have been, life imprisonment with no chance of parole. The death penalty is not a deterrent to murder, that has long been proven wrong. Letting serial murderers out is insane, there is no cure, no drugs, no amount of therapy that will make a serial killer other than what they are, mentally ill as one can possibly be and that is why I prefer life lock up instead of the death penalty. Take Jeffery Dahmer, with multiple psych illnesses that used to be classed as insane was fit for trial. A person who rapes(including necrophilia) torture, chopping up the body, storing pieces in jars in the fridge, then eating them, now if that isn't insanity, nothing is!



Capital punishment very effectively deters those who are executed.

As for letting serial killers out being insane the state of Texas didn't recognize what Kenneth McDuff was although his killing of three teenagers should have been a good clue. If a law and order state like Texas can let someone out like that there is always that danger. That's one reason why capital punishment makes more sense than trying to impose life sentences on people like McDuff. If there is any way at all that he may get out of prison he is liable to find it including a pardon from a governor.

Jeffrey Dahmer may have been mentally ill in some ways but most serial killers are just prima donna murderers who get some sort of enjoyment from killing other people. There's no good reason not to execute such people.
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That just is not true and it does bother me, you do a lot of damage with those type of statements. It's why we have thousands of nuts running around the streets. I'm real tired of lay people not acknowledging mental illnesses as some psuedo science, it's worse than the climate change deniers. I've said before, go volunteer in a hospital psych ward, better yet the state mental institutions or prisons, you'll get wake up call if you spend enough time there.
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More women die giving birth than having abortions - assuming that both are in properly equipped hospitals

there are in the US about 23.8 deaths per 100,000 births among women giving birth (a shameful figure that few are willing to address)

I cant get a recent death rate for legally induced abortion in the US but elsewhere its about 1.5 per 100 000



Good points. You've pointed out why nobody should be anti-choice. To truly be pro-life you have to be pro-choice.



So being "pro-life" is at best just a hypocritical political position ?
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Carry to full term of a healthy baby that was viable or one that was not? As a delivery room nurse for 5 yrs, I don't think you get many takers on offing a full term healthy baby. There are babies delivered from dying and dead moms. I remember the Scott/Lacy Peterson case in CA., a charge against him was 2 murders, the baby was viable and no longer needed the mother to live.



Scott was charged with two murders because two humans had been killed.

The unborn have a right to life even before viability. That is something that the left should acknowledge.



The SC decision says otherwise. Two people here would not call me pro choice because I don't give a blanket all is on or all is off. You are not taking away choice as for 20 weeks you can decide what you want to do and I'm speaking of healthy fetuses. There is the morning after pill, you don't even need an Rx. Get a stick from the pharmacy, it tells you within a week and hopefully one is aware when they have unprotected sex....on the other hand, there is no reason allow persons more time unless it is a medical decision. A healthy baby delivered is not called an abortion either, you go through labour and delivery. Up to 3 months gestation it is a D&C, 4-5 months, it is a D&E I am sure most of you are familiar with newborns, anyone one up for destroying as you are looking at it, hearing it, what is now a healthy baby cause someone took 6- 7-9 months to make a decision? Raise your hands.
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That just is not true and it does bother me, you do a lot of damage with those type of statements. It's why we have thousands of nuts running around the streets. I'm real tired of lay people not acknowledging mental illnesses as some psuedo science, it's worse than the climate change deniers. I've said before, go volunteer in a hospital psych ward, better yet the state mental institutions or prisons, you'll get wake up call if you spend enough time there.



I'm not denying mental illness. It's very real. I just don't buy what you're claiming or suggesting which is that lots of serial violent criminals who keep committing the same types of crimes are mentally ill or psychotic. As I've mentioned they are narcissistic, self-absorbed types who often have giant egos and believe themselves to be much smarter than what they are but they are hardly psychotic or otherwise mentally ill. I'm not even sure that Jeffrey Dahmer was despite the horrible nature of his crimes.

What you need to realize is that people can be only concerned about themselves and what they want while having little to no regard for other people without being mentally ill. As I've mentioned, they are a lot like self-absorbed children who have never grown up emotionally and mentally, obsessed with what they want without being concerned about other people.

That sort of thing doesn't require mental illness. Just a lack of mental development and intellectual maturity. One way to look at them is as people who've never grown up totally from a mental standpoint because they were never required to by their parents or anyone else.
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