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Who is really to blame for the "epidemic?"


It isn't the drug companies. They merely manufacture and promote the sale of a dangerous product, something which lots of other companies do who don't wind up being sued and ordered to fork over millions of dollars.

Do motorcycle riders sue manufacturers for making, promoting and selling motorcycles after they crash or someone crashes into them?

The main party responsible(other than users) for people being killed by illegal drugs like heroin is our government which made them illegal in the first place. It(and doctors) also place a lot of restrictions on legal narcotics which can result in people turning to the black market the government generated when legal narcotics are no longer available.

Prince was killed by what he thought was a legal narcotic which actually was an illegal one he got from a "friend." That illegal dose of fentanyl was not manufactured by any American drug company.

Too bad drug manufacturers can't sue the government for the mess it has made of their narcotics industry.

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Plenty of drug companies have had to turn over multi millions to billions in drug law suits. They "merely manufacture and promote the sale of a dangerous drug" so do bathtub meth dealers and no problem, right...
as long as your making money, free trade and all . Millions of these persons get their drugs legally fed to them just like street dealers, except far cheaper with that Rx, hooking them is their motive, it keeps them coming back. Prince was on several downers for years. He needed a hip replacement and wouldn't have it done, same with Tom Petty. No legit doctor would feed optates to someone where it is so easily fixed by a replacement. Having had to wait for hip surgery due to insurance, that pain is worse than having a baby..Drs. like teachers to priests people trust 100%, you shoulnt.
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If the drug dealers are always to blame in the war on drugs, what the difference now ?

Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused

A confidential Justice Department report found the company was aware early on that OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but continued to promote it as less addictive.

When Purdue Pharma started selling its prescription opioid painkiller OxyContin in 1996, Dr. Richard Sackler asked people gathered for the launch party to envision natural disasters like an earthquake, a hurricane, or a blizzard. The debut of OxyContin, said Sackler — a member of the family that started and controls the company and then a company executive — “will be followed by a blizzard of prescriptions that will bury the competition.”

Five years later, as questions were raised about the risk of addiction and overdoses that came with taking OxyContin and opioid medications, Sackler outlined a strategy that critics have long accused the company of unleashing: divert the blame onto others, particularly the people who became addicted to opioids themselves.

“We have to hammer on the abusers in every way possible,” Sackler wrote in an email in February 2001. “They are the culprits and the problem. They are reckless criminals.”

Sackler’s comments at the party and his email are contained in newly public portions of a lawsuit filed by the state of Massachusetts against Purdue that alleges that the company, the Sackler family, and company executives misled prescribers and patients as they aimed to blanket the country with prescriptions for their addictive medications.

A "blizzard" ?
Come now Philler, don't be obtuse as the drug dealers intentions.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/01/15/massachusetts-purdue-lawsuit-new-details/
 
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Plenty of drug companies have had to turn over multi millions to billions in drug law suits. They "merely manufacture and promote the sale of a dangerous drug" so do bathtub meth dealers and no problem, right...
as long as your making money, free trade and all . Millions of these persons get their drugs legally fed to them just like street dealers, except far cheaper with that Rx, hooking them is their motive, it keeps them coming back. Prince was on several downers for years. He needed a hip replacement and wouldn't have it done, same with Tom Petty. No legit doctor would feed optates to someone where it is so easily fixed by a replacement. Having had to wait for hip surgery due to insurance, that pain is worse than having a baby..Drs. like teachers to priests people trust 100%, you shoulnt.



So you're going to compare a legal product that is safe when used according to instructions with illegally produced meth that can be contaminated? Not a very good comparison.

And you're also going to require patients like Prince and Tom Petty to have surgery rather than take pain medication when that is what they would prefer to do? Make them suffer with the pain if they won't agree to dangerous surgery? That sounds a little bit like extortion rather than good medical care.

A caring, legit doctor would provide opiates to such a patient if they didn't want surgery because they wouldn't want them to suffer from pain nor get pain medication off a black market when denied legal pain medication that they need.
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If the drug dealers are always to blame in the war on drugs, what the difference now ?-Gee



I don't agree that illegal drug dealers are always to blame. They are often simply supplying something that people want to buy in a market place created by the government. They are not forcing people to buy a dangerous product at gunpoint and insisting that unwilling people use it.

And the legal drug dealers are not to blame either when people misuse their drugs.

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Origins of an Epidemic: Purdue Pharma Knew Its Opioids Were Widely Abused



And gun manufacturers know that their guns are widely abused, used to commit violent crimes and used to murder people, sometimes on a mass scale. But that doesn't stop them from selling them. And it doesn't result in them being held accountable for any of that harm by the government.

Do you think drug companies should be subject to unequal treatment under the law in violation of the 14th amendment?

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A confidential Justice Department report found the company was aware early on that OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but continued to promote it as less addictive.



The fact that it was being crushed and snorted by people intent on using it to get high doesn't mean it isn't less addictive than some other narcotics. Regardless, the drug company wasn't responsible for people crushing pills and snorting the drug.
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Would you deregulate it, then ?
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You forgot injecting....they made crushproof oxy's in time released beads in 2010, it reduced use by 75% of snorting/injecting, that is what mostly is sold in my area pharmacies. Your MD tells you not to do it, he/she writes "do not crush, snort, inject," on the Rx, the pharmacist print out says it, the pharmacist tells you as well. You look at addiction as a choice, what is a choice is either to get high or relieve pain, not to be a drug addict. In 2000 when the addiction rate was 1-2% no one paid attention, at 15% and thousands of deaths, they do. Unless you commit suicide when so many people die and that includes guns, even sometimes an accident, other people expect, want, need, accountibility. I can't hold the addict to that accountibility but those I can who with a clear head, manufacture death for money to persons who are well, a total mess. For me it would be no different than a 21 y.o. having sex with a 14 y.o and claim it was consensual.
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Would you deregulate it, then ?



No.
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You forgot injecting....they made crushproof oxy's in time released beads in 2010, it reduced use by 75% of snorting/injecting, that is what mostly is sold in my area pharmacies. Your MD tells you not to do it, he/she writes "do not crush, snort, inject," on the Rx, the pharmacist print out says it, the pharmacist tells you as well. You look at addiction as a choice, what is a choice is either to get high or relieve pain, not to be a drug addict.



It is a choice to do what is necessary to become an addict and those steps to addiction are not exactly unknown.

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In 2000 when the addiction rate was 1-2% no one paid attention, at 15% and thousands of deaths, they do.



Yeah, and who or what does the mass media blame for those fatalities? Not the government who creates and helps to maintain the very dangerous black market but rather the pharmaceutical industry and the drugs themselves, so they spew out propaganda and nonsense like the "opioid epidemic." The media also conveniently overlooks the major role that users play in not following the directions and guidelines on how to safely use narcotics, something which millions of people do.

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Unless you commit suicide when so many people die and that includes guns, even sometimes an accident, other people expect, want, need, accountibility.



I have no problem with holding those responsible accountable. That's what this thread is about but those people are not the pharmaceutical industry.

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I can't hold the addict to that accountibility but those I can who with a clear head, manufacture death for money to persons who are well, a total mess. For me it would be no different than a 21 y.o. having sex with a 14 y.o and claim it was consensual.



As soon as this society starts punishing gun manufacturers with heavy financial penalties for marketing weapons of mass destruction in a society which obviously is ill-equipped to handle them I would have no problem with holding drug companies responsible for selling any drug which people don't need which can harm people if misused. Narcotics are drugs which people need to fight pain.

If drug companies over sell them that is certainly no worse than what gun companies have done in the case of guns like the AR-15. If they're not being held accountable holding the drug companies accountable for overselling narcotics is a violation of their constitutional rights under the 14th amendment.

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Would you deregulate it, then ?



No.



Then what are the correct penalties for violating both the intent and morality of your regulations.
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