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It's not hysteria, it's an issue you don't take seriously because you don't get it from inexperience and naivety.



I take it seriously, katie. I just realize that the hyperbolic and punitive approach this society takes to the problem is counterproductive. It helps to create the myth that getting over an addiction is virtually impossible which is not what you want people believing if they are to overcome an addiction. It also makes it physically more difficult for addicts to safely deal with their addictions without a lot of discomfort.
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I don't anybody who thinks addiction is impossible to get over, including the media or society. I've never heard one person say that, quite the opposite.
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I don't anybody who thinks addiction is impossible to get over, including the media or society. I've never heard one person say that, quite the opposite.



Not impossible, just extremely difficult to the point of almost being impossible and perhaps not worth the effort that may only end up in failure. The bottom line is that addicts should not face the pressure of having to succeed at eliminating their addiction or being classed as a miserable failure as a human being.

My view is that they should have the option of being addicts under relatively controlled conditions as long as that is what they want and they can live with it. As I said, it's their life.
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I don't disagree with "controlled conditions" never have. That is also part of the problem, most addicts don't want controlled conditions, that is why if you look at heroin programs in countries in Europe that have them, the number of enrolled is quite small because you are talking maintenance dose and not one drop more, you will be kicked out for any violation, including not being in town to get your two/three doses, which is daily but Sundays. The three companies charged with violations, is not because it is a narcotic it is because they made false claims and went off label causing deaths, the same charges against Merck and Pfizer for the Cox-2 inhibitors Vioxx and Bextra, earlier in the century, multi billion dollars were paid out due to the amount of deaths from heart attacks and bleeding ulcers. Over 25 companies make oxy drugs, the ones that did not get a lawsuit, did not make false claims or go off label. When you present years of evidence to get your drug passed through the FDA, you have set the perimeters for that drug, not them. You get greedy and lie, far to many people are injured/ die than what your label claimed your'e busted, it doesn't matter what medication it is, if it is an RX. and these companies knew very well they were playing with fire, the lack of their common sense for money, is appalling, you're supposed to be helping people through pain not to addiction.
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I have no problem with drug companies selling a deadly product and making false claims about it being sued and even facing criminal charges. The problem I have with companies like Purdue being sued is that their claims about their drug not being as addictive as other narcotics is a minor claim at worst and certainly didn't cause any user to be killed.

Addiction and overdose are two very distinct problems. The only reason why there is a connection is because the government and sometimes doctors over restrict narcotics after first allowing people to use them legally. That sends users and addicts heading to the dangerous black market the government has generated.

Did drug companies create that black market? No. The government did. And they are responsible for what happens when people get involved in it.

You create a monster, you are responsible when people fight it.
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I have no problem with drug companies selling a deadly product and making false claims about it being sued and even facing criminal charges



GOOD - so what is the point of this thread?

Perdue (and others) marketed "oxy" on the basis of false claims and false promises - worse even than that is that they marketed them aimed at solving a problem that they had first to convince people that they had!

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That if you want to be a big time drug dealer, Mexico might be a better option for you?
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I have no problem with drug companies selling a deadly product and making false claims about it being sued and even facing criminal charges



GOOD - so what is the point of this thread?

Perdue (and others) marketed "oxy" on the basis of false claims and false promises - worse even than that is that they marketed them aimed at solving a problem that they had first to convince people that they had!



Narcotics are not a deadly product if used as directed. When they are not used as directed that isn't the fault of the drug companies. That is the fault of the user.

Other drugs, including ones katie mentioned, which drug companies sold as safe were deadly even when used as directed. That's a very different situation and one where a drug company should be held liable.

There are other products which are unsafe even when used as directed, such as motorcycles, but at least the users know that they are using something that is very dangerous. People unwittingly used some deadly drugs without being informed about how dangerous they were and that they were unsafe to use at all.
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That if you want to be a big time drug dealer, Mexico might be a better option for you?



Narcotics are needed and need to be manufactured by legitimate companies, not some guy in his garage turning out black market concoctions. Or China sending us loads of things like fentanyl and even more dangerous narcotics used to knock out large animals like elephants.
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I've never said narcotics are not needed, that would be absurd. What you expect are companies that don't lie about what they have produced to the FDA, physicians and the public, that will get you where 3 companies are today out of a couple dozen manufacturers who didn't lie. These 3 companies who have lied, lose cred, the other couple dozen, have not. any drug they ever produce, which could be magnamious to the public, will now be under question for decades, they ruined their reputation.
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