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I've never said narcotics are not needed, that would be absurd. What you expect are companies that don't lie about what they have produced to the FDA, physicians and the public, that will get you where 3 companies are today out of a couple dozen manufacturers who didn't lie. These 3 companies who have lied, lose cred, the other couple dozen, have not. any drug they ever produce, which could be magnamious to the public, will now be under question for decades, they ruined their reputation.



They certainly didn't help it but exactly what did they lie about that was so significant or bad? Apparently the big lie by Perdue was that oxycontin was less addictive than other formulations of narcotics. There's a big gap between that lie to promote sales of their product and the so-called opioid epidemic. You'd never have a problem with addiction leading to overdoses from a black market if you made sure that people who were addicted had access to safe narcotics. And who is responsible for not allowing that? It wasn't Perdue.
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Promoting that is was less addictive is unethical, they have to meet certain standards to qualify for not being a street dealer. That is most expected, if you want to be in business where the govt. is your overseer, it is no different than a contract and Perdue broke the contract, there are penalties for breaking a contract, for all of us. Going off label violates the guidelines that are put out for all drugs because that is how the company submitted them because they are required to meet certain safety standards that they themselves set out. You have a choice, don't sign the contract and if you do and you lied, you have to pay. As you say people do have choices, they knew the law, they didn't have to do this, it is a healthy billion dollar company before they lied. Greed and they are responsible. We've had a 200% increase in death rate since 2000, when this was brought to attention in 2003, disgusting that thousands and thousands could be alive
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I agree that it was unethical to lie about how addictive their product was but that lie didn't begin to cause the "opioid epidemic" which is essentially just something made up by the mass media and/or the government. The main problem has always been people overdosing on narcotics or combinations of narcotics and other drugs. How much of any given narcotic being sold or being widely available and prescribed to patients does not explain why anyone overdoses on that narcotic or any other one.

I consider that lie to be a rather minor one for several other reasons including the fact that nobody who knows enough about narcotics, as doctors should, would have believed oxycodone in any formulation would be less addictive than other narcotics of similar power and ability to generate euphoria. Narcotics are addictive when used too often and for too long to avoid that side effect. They can be used for a long time without the patient becoming addicted but that requires very careful use, something which isn't even possible when the drug being used is illegally obtained.

But addiction is a separate problem from people overdosing because our government saw fit to establish a dangerous black market and then allow drugs much stronger than heroin into that market. Or even people overdosing because they choose to ignore what a label tells them.

It is sickening that so many people have been killed by overdoses but our government had the primary responsibility to prevent that and instead it made the problem worse. Not drug companies who were just selling a dangerous but reasonably safe product when used according to instructions.
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Philer this started in 2000/2001 with 464 deaths when it was not in the news and in 2003 when the number hugely spiked the FDA started given those abusive manufacturers the first warning and here it is 2019 where recorded deaths of 2017 was over 70,000. I find the govt complicit as well. To allow something to escaslate for that many years and giving it a pass? Someone had a lot of lobbyists on their side, just like the NRA and guns. If you want to take a gun and blow your brains out, your choice, persons do not go to a physician to die, they go to live!
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Yes, if you want to shoot yourself in the head that's your choice but what about all the people who get shot who don't choose to get shot? All the innocent people who wouldn't have been killed if not for some lunk head firing a gun at them? That's a far cry from someone choosing to take a dangerous drug and not following directions or otherwise not being careful while doing so.

Big pharma played a role in supplying dangerous drugs to people but as long as those drugs could be used safely their role was not a major one resulting in people being killed, not even if they lied about how addictive their drugs are. There is no way to escape the responsibility of individual users as well as doctors and the government in sending people to a black market.
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"Choosing" and addiction are what a lot of people don't understand. You many not 'get' addiction but those handing out those drugs in pain pill mills know exactly what they are doing and you are speaking of persons who are more often than not, vulnerable from physical or mental disorders by MD's that are very well educated in narcotics.
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"Choosing" and addiction are what a lot of people don't understand. You many not 'get' addiction but those handing out those drugs in pain pill mills know exactly what they are doing and you are speaking of persons who are more often than not, vulnerable from physical or mental disorders by MD's that are very well educated in narcotics.



What choice does a doctor have, katie? If you were a doctor and were dealing with a patient whom you knew had all sorts of physical and psychological problems in addition to being addicted what would you do? Cut them off from their prescription narcotic? That would not help them. If they then turned to the black market they would be in bigger trouble.
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What you do, is not get them there in the first place, which is far more typical. What doctors do, they get you into a methadone or suboxin program or to a detox center if you choose for a week , where librium is used to help with the withdrawls, cutting off an addict is extremely dangerous, then into the rehab same in alcoholism, no one is abandoned that seeks help no matter their choice. The medical profession will use any tool available. The mental health therapy comes in many forms by medication or not. 75% of illegal oxy's and their other ingredients are got off the street, because their is a black market doesn't mean physicians should take up drug dealing because their narcotics are "safe" which is also a false representation anyway.
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Of course it's nice to keep people from becoming addicted in the first place but isn't that really the job of the patient rather than the doctor? Anytime you provide a patient with high powered narcotics there is a chance they will become addicted but it's always up to the patient more than the doctor to see that that doesn't happen.

My main concern is about what happens if an addicted patient is cut off by a doctor. That is the cardinal sin because such a patient is liable to turn to "friends" or the black market for narcotics which may turn out to be almost anything. Better to keep them on legal narcotics than risk them going to the black market for their drugs even if they are clearly addicted. It's those who are addicted who pose the most risk by being cut off from their normal medication.
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Of course it's nice to keep people from becoming addicted in the first place but isn't that really the job of the patient rather than the doctor?



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