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I strongly disagree. The doctor can't stop a patient from becoming addicted after prescribing narcotics which some people need to fight pain effectively. Only the patient can. And taking away the drug after they do can easily cause more trouble than addiction.

Narcotics have to be used carefully to avoid addiction but it is obviously possible for patients to do that because many have avoided addiction.
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The doctor can't stop a patient from becoming addicted after prescribing narcotics which some people need to fight pain effectively



IF a doctor believes that the patient will become addicted he should not prescribe SIMPLE! (the only possible exception is in the case of terminal illness when the risk of addiction isnt an issue)

usual consumer safety rules apply something should be safe when used as directed if using it as directed leads to addiction then it is not safe.

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may I remind you that the makers of Oxycontin (etc) CREATED a market by persuading people that there was a problem with hither to untreatable pain they then LIED by telling people that their product was safe and without risk of addiction.


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Narcotics have to be used carefully to avoid addiction but it is obviously possible for patients to do that because many have avoided addiction



That many didnt become addicted is irrelevant MANY DID the mere fact that many did PROVES that the drug isnt safe.

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A doctor has no way of knowing whether a patient will become addicted or not. There is always a chance they will in the case of narcotics but it doesn't have to happen. And if a patient has sufficient pain narcotics are called for. The risk of addiction can easily be a secondary consideration to reducing or eliminating pain.

Also, I disagree that the risk of addiction means that a drug isn't safe. It just means that it has a potential side effect of addiction.

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A doctor has no way of knowing whether a patient will become addicted or not.



thankyou - I rest my case!


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I disagree that the risk of addiction means that a drug isn't safe. It just means that it has a potential side effect of addiction.



not dissimilar to saying "I disagree that the risk of death means that a drug isn't safe. It just means that it has a potential side effect of death.

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But they do easily recognize a drug seeker. Patients don't know, if you are seeing a doctor for the first time, don't ask for narcotics. If you see a doctor and you are in serious pain don't ask, the doctor by examine which is more than touching, they are good at observation, your movement, your body language, you face, your tears, screams of pain....the doctor will offer narcotics, unless what you have can actually be treated with an Rx anti inflammatory which in their experience kills the pain/inflammation for 90% of their patients of what your complaint is, there will be issues they know he/she needs a narcotic for that. If the anti inflammatory doesn't work, call back, they then know you are the other 10%. This has happened to me several times over the years. I never had a problem with any MD., you don't if you play by the rules. The way most drug seekers fooled MD's was the ability to doctor/hospital/pharmacy hop but computer linking stopped that and why pill mill clinics have become so popular with addicts.
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A doctor has no way of knowing whether a patient will become addicted or not.



thankyou - I rest my case!


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I disagree that the risk of addiction means that a drug isn't safe. It just means that it has a potential side effect of addiction.



not dissimilar to saying "I disagree that the risk of death means that a drug isn't safe. It just means that it has a potential side effect of death.



It's very dissimilar since the side effect of addiction doesn't mean a drug isn't safe to use. To claim otherwise is like saying a mild cough side effect means you shouldn't take asthma medicine because it isn't safe to use.

The danger of addiction doesn't mean that narcotics shouldn't be prescribed. Most patients don't become addicted to them and the benefits far outweigh the dangers of addiction to those patients.

Addiction is something that can be dealt with effectively when there is no hysterical reaction to even the potential for it. A hysterical approach has not been shown to work well.
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They don't give asthma meds for a mild cough, they are steroids and for lung diseases......I did find humour in your description of "hysterical" you want to see hysterics, go to an AA or NA meeting! As a feminist I am surprised at your use of the word, hysteria coined for women only with defective wombs. emoticon
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They don't give asthma meds for a mild cough, they are steroids and for lung diseases......I did find humour in your description of "hysterical" you want to see hysterics, go to an AA or NA meeting! As a feminist I am surprised at your use of the word, hysteria coined for women only with defective wombs. emoticon



Perhaps I shouldn't use the term hysterical but no other word quite seems to fit the sort of general overly emotional reaction to people using illegal narcotics as well as people becoming addicted to narcotics. From my perspective neither is that big of a deal or wouldn't be if a more calm, rational approach was taken to dealing with both the recreational use of narcotics and addiction to them.
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You misuse words, you have no clue what addiction is like to make such statements. A doctor does not cut patients off like you say, alcohol, narcotics, anti depressants, prednisone, it can be blood thinners to insulin that must be titrated, with drawl from opiates or alcohol there are medications used to treat with drawl symptoms as well. Doctors aren't as dumb as you think.
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I don't believe doctors are dumb. They probably wouldn't make it through medical school if they were dumb. Ones I have known certainly haven't been dumb including my friend from China. He had to go through medical schools both in China and here to have a practice in this country.

If doctors don't cut people off from narcotics why do I keep hearing that that has happened to some people? My friend wasn't completely cut off but he was greatly restricted to the point where he turned to something called kratom to make up the difference.

As for addiction to narcotics, what do I need to know about it to recognize that going ape and locking people up in prison due to fear that someone might become addicted to a narcotic is not the right approach.
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