Runboard.com
Слава Україні!

runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)

Page:  1  2  3  4  5 

 
Philer Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2016
Posts: 5360
Karma: 24 (+39/-15)
Reply | Quote
Murder?


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has jumped on the let's get the bad ol' drug companies bandwagon. Like conservative political leaders in Oklahoma and Missouri he has decided to go after those evil doers.

Just goes to show that when liberals and conservatives agree it doesn't bode well for the country.

Cuomo even talked like the drug companies were guilty of murder. I'd like for him to try and explain that little gem of bullshit. They are not guilty of murder! They sell a product just like other companies do and they try to maximize profits just like other companies do. They never forced anyone to prescribe their drugs nor any patient to use them.

Even the talk of misleading people is mostly just bullshit. How do you mislead people about narcotics? Everyone knows they are addictive and besides, addiction isn't the real problem. As I've mentioned it's ignorance about how to safely use narcotics and/or an unwillingness to do so.

If Cuomo wants to blame someone he should blame the federal and state governments for forcing addicts to get their drugs illegally. Unfortunately you can't sue the dumbass government for all of those people overdosing. And now the ones truly responsible have found a safe scapegoat for all the harm and destruction they've caused. Those "evil" drug companies.

Want to stop overdoses and save lives? Legalize heroin and make it available in drug stores and clinics to be used under supervision. Keep people from being poisoned and overdosing on things like fentanyl obtained from a black market.

The government could do that but instead it will as usual only pretend to be doing something to save lives by going after its pet scapegoat, those "evil" drug companies.

Watch out when liberals and conservatives agree!


"I've seen a number of schemes and frauds, but the opioid scheme is as diabolical, as brazen, as obnoxious and as offensive as anything I've seen," Governor Cuomo said. "These drug companies knew what they were doing. It was not accidental - it was an industry-wide conspiracy. The damage they have caused has been immeasurable - it has cost thousands of human lives and billions of dollars, and they have gotten away with it for decades. These drug companies are not going to get away with murder, and we are taking a series of actions to ensure that they don't".-Andrew Cuomo

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-action-against-opioid-industry-recover-2-billion-overcharges-defrauded
9/18/2019, 1:42 am Link to this post PM Philer Blog
 
mais oui Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 11-2016
Posts: 5097
Karma: 25 (+31/-6)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?



You need to learn the difference between political rhetoric and policy




 
quote:

Legalize heroin and make it available in drug stores and clinics to be used under supervision.



you do know that thousands die every year from over doses of opiates prescribed to them?

 In 2017, prescription opioids continue to contribute to the epidemic in the U.S. – they were involved in more than 35% of all opioid overdose deaths.

---
HAPPINESS, THE IGNOBLE LIFE GOAL OF THE ILLITERATE
9/18/2019, 9:06 am Link to this post PM mais oui Blog
 
katie5445 Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Administrator

Registered: 10-2016
Posts: 7485
Karma: 47 (+62/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


How the Sacklers' earned money, through others addiction/ deaths and now are hiding a few billion of death money overseas, this is our America folks. Great isn't it.........I think they know "Art of the Deal" by heart.
9/18/2019, 4:28 pm Link to this post PM katie5445 Blog
 
Philer Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2016
Posts: 5360
Karma: 24 (+39/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


quote:

mais oui wrote:


You need to learn the difference between political rhetoric and policy



I do. Unfortunately some people actually take such bullshit seriously and wind up believing that drug sellers are murderers. Some prosecutors have even believed it.


 
quote:

Legalize heroin and make it available in drug stores and clinics to be used under supervision.



you do know that thousands die every year from over doses of opiates prescribed to them?



No, I don't actually know that and neither do you.

quote:

In 2017, prescription opioids continue to contribute to the epidemic in the U.S. – they were involved in more than 35% of all opioid overdose deaths.



Being involved in the more than 35% of fatalities attributed to opioids doesn't mean they were even the main drug involved. Other drugs contribute to people being rendered unconscious and subsequently killed while using narcotics, including alcohol.

Do you know how many people foolishly consume booze while taking narcotics? A lot of folks have and do, including lots of famous people, some of whom didn't survive.

It makes just as much sense to blame alcohol in those cases as narcotics. But of course the mass media doesn't do that. Journalists are notorious booze hounds.
9/19/2019, 12:54 am Link to this post PM Philer Blog
 
Philer Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2016
Posts: 5360
Karma: 24 (+39/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


quote:

katie5445 wrote:

How the Sacklers' earned money, through others addiction/ deaths and now are hiding a few billion of death money overseas, this is our America folks. Great isn't it.........I think they know "Art of the Deal" by heart.



They earned money from selling a dangerous product which lots of other companies do also including those who manufacture motorcycles, those who manufacture guns and those who manufacture alcoholic beverages. Why should they be singled out for significant financial penalties for doing what others have done and continue to do with no financial repercussions?
9/19/2019, 1:02 am Link to this post PM Philer Blog
 
katie5445 Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Administrator

Registered: 10-2016
Posts: 7485
Karma: 47 (+62/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


And "lots" of companies get in trouble for doing so and they are guilty of murder, that is what lawsuits have proven. Products that are sold that cause over the top deaths that a company is aware of face criminal or civil lawsuits, it is not new or unusual from cars to cribs. That you see it as an attack on manufacturers for oxys is nothing new, yet you did not acknowledge that only 3 companies out of over 25 are facing lawsuits, so it isn't about the drug but about false info, what are missing? You still are missing the point, it is not manufacturing a drug, it is lying about a drug. If you accept lying, I guess, it's go Trump.......and all is on, a complete free for all.
9/19/2019, 4:41 am Link to this post PM katie5445 Blog
 
snowpixie Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 11-2016
Posts: 1565
Karma: 11 (+15/-4)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


 In recent years, there have been more deaths involving illicit opioids, including heroin and fentanyl, than the prescription forms of the drugs. That change has happened as awareness of the dangers of prescription opioids has increased and prescribers have become more cautious.

companies pushed sales from the start. Doing so meant persuading doctors who had been reluctant to prescribe such strong painkillers. Companies paid physicians who attested to the drug’s safety and became a major funder of groups that advocated for pain patients and campaigned to have opioids prescribed.

The Associated Press and the Center for Public Integrity found the industry and groups it funded were also politically active, spending more than $880 million nationally on lobbying and campaigns from 2006 through 2015.

All those issues are part of the lawsuits facing the drug industry now.
9/19/2019, 8:52 am Link to this post PM snowpixie Blog
 
Philer Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2016
Posts: 5360
Karma: 24 (+39/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


quote:

katie5445 wrote:

And "lots" of companies get in trouble for doing so and they are guilty of murder, that is what lawsuits have proven. Products that are sold that cause over the top deaths that a company is aware of face criminal or civil lawsuits, it is not new or unusual from cars to cribs. That you see it as an attack on manufacturers for oxys is nothing new, yet you did not acknowledge that only 3 companies out of over 25 are facing lawsuits, so it isn't about the drug but about false info, what are missing? You still are missing the point, it is not manufacturing a drug, it is lying about a drug. If you accept lying, I guess, it's go Trump.......and all is on, a complete free for all.



The lie in the case of oxycontin was that it was less addictive than other narcotic formulations. How did that lie cause any fatalities? Unless it did the company couldn't have been guilty of anything close to murder.

You keep dodging around the fact that legal narcotics are safe to use if used according to directions. No matter how addictive one of them is or how much a company lies about how addictive it is it can still be used safely if directions are followed. The problem of overdose only occurs if those directions aren't followed or the drug is mixed with other depressant drugs or they are suddenly cut off by their doctor and turn to the black market.

BTW, it was more than 3 companies that were facing trouble from the state of New York. There's a long list given at the bottom of the article. Lots of narcotic companies are being harassed by state governments.
9/19/2019, 9:33 pm Link to this post PM Philer Blog
 
Philer Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2016
Posts: 5360
Karma: 24 (+39/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


quote:

snowpixie wrote:

 In recent years, there have been more deaths involving illicit opioids, including heroin and fentanyl, than the prescription forms of the drugs. That change has happened as awareness of the dangers of prescription opioids has increased and prescribers have become more cautious.

companies pushed sales from the start. Doing so meant persuading doctors who had been reluctant to prescribe such strong painkillers. Companies paid physicians who attested to the drug’s safety and became a major funder of groups that advocated for pain patients and campaigned to have opioids prescribed.

The Associated Press and the Center for Public Integrity found the industry and groups it funded were also politically active, spending more than $880 million nationally on lobbying and campaigns from 2006 through 2015.

All those issues are part of the lawsuits facing the drug industry now.



Good points but promoting a legal and safe product is nothing that warrants accusations of murder. Even when one of those companies falsely claimed that their product was less addictive than other products.

The biggest problem is still the black market created by the government itself, not the sale of legal narcotics which millions of people use safely. As you said, illicit narcotics including fentanyl have been a disaster leading to many fatalities including Prince's overdose. That's why heroin should be legally available to prevent people from overdosing on either heroin or fentanyl and why people who are addicted shouldn't be suddenly deprived of narcotics by doctors.
9/19/2019, 9:41 pm Link to this post PM Philer Blog
 
katie5445 Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Administrator

Registered: 10-2016
Posts: 7485
Karma: 47 (+62/-15)
Reply | Quote
Re: Murder?


I already posted under the other thread but I'll do it here as well. "Falsely claim," call it what it is, lying, what would you think if an MD or me gave you a drug you became addicted or I slipped you something and said eh no big deal.....and it was, when you didn't need it, only cause I wanted your $$$. No one should be given a drug they are not 100% informed of what could happen, it doesn't matter from a cancer drug, to a narcotic, to a blood pressure pill. MD's count on pharma and their drug reps to be honest, they are the ones dispensing the medication. I haven't researched but I would bet some of these deaths were caused from interaction from other medications or persons of age, persons with lung/heart diseases that should not have them, at all. I don't know what you mean by black market in the US. Fentanyl has been around a long time and can be used properly with no issues, terminal cancer patients, patients with severe lung disease, or their health issues are horrible and chronic with pain, they use a patch for that. Outside of the hospital and these types of patients, fentanyl w , no one knew what it was until not to long ago. if Prince would have lost that so called doctor and had the surgery he needed he probably would still be alive. As before I don't disagree with heroin clinics, those people have either failed miserably through half dozen rehabs or actually have no desire to quit. That however is not typical, the vast majority do and I think they should have every opportunity to get back to life.
9/20/2019, 1:41 am Link to this post PM katie5445 Blog
 


Add a reply

Page:  1  2  3  4  5 





You are not logged in (login)