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"A stunning verdict" according to Norah O'Donnell


I wasn't at all surprised by the jury finding Amber Guyger guilty of murder even though by legal standards she wasn't guilty of murder. At worst something along the lines of manslaughter or negligent homicide.

Why was Norah "stunned?" Perhaps because almost all police officers are acquitted when they shoot and kill an unarmed person. That's true but what Nora needs to realize is that almost all of those police officers were men. Amber is not a man and that brings in a whole different set of rules or at least attitudes.

There was nothing surprising about the jury's verdict in Amber's case.

"The jury, made up of mostly women and people of color, deliberated for about five hours to convict Guyger and has been sequestered during this trial, which began on Sept. 23."

This jury was hand picked by the prosecution to get a murder conviction unlike the O. J. Simpson jury which more likely was hand picked to get an acquittal. And it took each respective jury about the same length of time to reach their very different verdicts.

The only problem is that both verdicts were just the opposite of what they should have been, something which isn't uncommon with our jury system.

Did Amber commit murder? Not by the standards of the law but of course the jury wasn't overly concerned with the law. They were a bunch of people prejudiced against the defendant, a typical scenario when women are on trial.

Now we are waiting on Amber's jury deciding on what sentence to give her which could be anything from 5 years to 99 years. I expect it to be rather substantial. A minimum of twenty years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amber-guyger-sentencing-resumes-after-murder-conviction-death-botham-jean-n1061146
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The jury came back with a sentence of 10 years. On the underside of the range of what I expected but still more than if she had been convicted of the crime she was guilty of committing. Manslaughter.

Apparently the jury didn't quite believe that she was like other murderers who deserve a much longer sentence. More like someone who committed that lesser crime.
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I would have gone for manslaughter if she was drunk but she was sober. If she wasn't guilty of a murder of guy sitting and watching the tv and eating his Chinese dinner what is she guilty of, she take his dinner?
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 I was surprised that she was convicted of murder.
in my mind, she was guilty of manslaughter.
 
That said, being overtired is not a pass for murder.
This should send a message, to police officers
to slow down, before pulling the trigger.

It was an unnecessary death. Some people shouldn't
be police officers if they aren't detailed oriented enough
to notice their surroundings.

I also, think that fact that she did NOT render aid, bothered a
lot of jurors. she said she did, but nothing was used in
her medical kit/bag. I don't get that. I would call for help
then immediately render aid. Maybe she was in shock.
regardless, she should have rendered aid immediately.

She got 10 years, which means she can be out in 5 years.

I have a former boss, who's 18 years old was convicted of manslaughter and given 3 years, he was out in 18 months. He killed his best friend, they had gotten drunk at the party, he drove home, went to sleep, his friend called him and asked him to pick him up. so he did and on the way home rolled the car into a ditch. He was deemed legally drunk and unfortunately, the accident killed his best friend. He was drunk and overtired. I think the sentence was appropriate. This situation while she was overtired, I just can't reasonably believe that a trained officer would act the way she did.

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you cant just kill people because you think that they might be in your house!

Did Jean Attack her? threaten her? or did she just walk in a decide to kill him?
(from what I have read it appears to be the latter)

in mitigation however she was "super horny" at the time of the killing

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the really sad thing is that had the situation been reversed and some black guy had walked into Guyger's flat and took the same course of action that Guyger took
Philer would be screaming for him to be executed for the good of society.

How DARE a man (and a black man at that) shoot a poor innocent woman......but a white woman shoots an innocent black man and Philer is all sympathy for the KILLER!

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quote:

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I would have gone for manslaughter if she was drunk but she was sober. If she wasn't guilty of a murder of guy sitting and watching the tv and eating his Chinese dinner what is she guilty of, she take his dinner?



If she was telling the truth about making a mistake and believing she was acting in self-defense it was manslaughter. There have been plenty of men who have committed similar homicides who weren't even convicted of manslaughter. And not all of them were even police officers. It's pretty common for some man to claim that he thought he was acting in self-defense when he shot and killed someone and to be given a pass.
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I wasn't at all surprised that she was convicted of murder, pixie. I would have been surprised if a male cop under similar circumstances had been convicted of murder.

Overall I think the case turned out fairly well. She got a reasonable sentence for the crime she committed and she may not be paroled after five years. Parole boards seem to be a little less quick to parole women than men.

She shouldn't have gone scot free as many male police officers have under similar circumstances and that certainly didn't happen.
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quote:

If she was telling the truth about making a mistake and believing she was acting in self-defense it was manslaughter



would say that if it was the other way around and the man had shot the woman...
HELL NO!


quote:

There have been plenty of men who have committed similar homicides who weren't even convicted of manslaughter.



well if there are "plenty" how about you post a couple?


remember you are looking for a case where a MAN walks into SOMEONE ELSES house and shoots them AND DOESNT GET CONVICTED

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the really sad thing is that had the situation been reversed and some black guy had walked into Guyger's flat and took the same course of action that Guyger took
Philer would be screaming for him to be executed for the good of society.

How DARE a man (and a black man at that) shoot a poor innocent woman......but a white woman shoots an innocent black man and Philer is all sympathy for the KILLER!



Not at all. If a male cop had done the same thing she did, except for killing a woman instead of a man in her own apartment, he likely would not have been convicted of murder and might not even have been convicted of manslaughter. That's the kind of thing that bothers me.

In this case the female cop actually got just about the kind of sentence she should have received if she had been convicted of the crime she was guilty of committing - manslaughter.
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