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They needed the element of surprise to capture who they were after.

anyway, I came across these documents. that I thought you might be interested in reading.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-projects-and-surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf
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She said her life was at risk, you personally do not know that. You cannot put every state, county, city, jurors, the attorney's the trial, the judge, all in one basket and you do as if flipping heads or tails, like justice all comes out the same. It would be awesome but that isn't ever going to happen. There was no doubt by her text's that she was a racist or at least highly prejudice, however I don't think not enough to walk in a flat and shoot a black person. Neither do I get how a sober person could walk up to a door that is not their home and kill someone. As far as being remorseful, I think that was evident and I think it counts, although most times, not if you are a loved one or certain people in society. I think the years in prison she will reevaluate her life, starting with the affair with a married man and the road that let her to where she ended up. If this was a black woman and a white man, she wouldn't be getting out of jail.
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I think that it was a proper finding.

Reverse the situation, and imagine a black man getting off the elevator at the wrong floor, going into "his" apartment and shooting a police officer.

He would have gotten life, not just about ten years, so fast that it would not have time to be a national story.

Saying I thought it was my apartment and was so threaten unto shooting by a person eating ice cream would have laughed out of court as crazy talk.

Why was the cop's sentence so lenient ?
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They needed the element of surprise to capture who they were after.

anyway, I came across these documents. that I thought you might be interested in reading.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-projects-and-surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf



The element of surprise doesn't explain the shootings of two innocent people nor the lenient treatment of the two male cops in those cases.

I read some of the study. Nothing really surprising about it. I found one interesting graph which showed Hispanic males getting shorter sentences than Hispanic females. That certainly didn't surprise me.
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If this was a black woman and a white man, she wouldn't be getting out of jail.-katie



With that same sort of jury she would have gotten the same sentence or a lesser one after being convicted of manslaughter. There were black women on the jury.
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I think that it was a proper finding.

Reverse the situation, and imagine a black man getting off the elevator at the wrong floor, going into "his" apartment and shooting a police officer.

He would have gotten life, not just about ten years, so fast that it would not have time to be a national story.

Saying I thought it was my apartment and was so threaten unto shooting by a person eating ice cream would have laughed out of court as crazy talk.

Why was the cop's sentence so lenient ?



A black man shot and killed a white female police officer in St. Louis County and he was not convicted of first degree murder but only second degree murder. That's the only time I've heard of that happening when a police officer was shot by anybody in Missouri.

The reason for the sentence according to one of the black women on that jury was her remorse for the shooting. I think the sentence was warranted and not overly lenient. She may spend more than five years in prison since parole boards don't seem to like to parole women very early.
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If this was a black woman and a white man, she wouldn't be getting out of jail.-katie



With that same sort of jury she would have gotten the same sentence or a lesser one after being convicted of manslaughter. There were black women on the jury.



"Same sort of jury" as in? Remembering no two people are alike.
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If this was a black woman and a white man, she wouldn't be getting out of jail.-katie



With that same sort of jury she would have gotten the same sentence or a lesser one after being convicted of manslaughter. There were black women on the jury.



"Same sort of jury" as in? Remembering no two people are alike.



No two people may be alike but juries tend to be more alike than different, especially in regard to being biased and prejudiced. And people of one race tend to favor people of their race.
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I see that as an extremely biased statement, dependant on many factors.
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I see that as an extremely biased statement, dependant on many factors.



Not biased, just realistic based on what I've observed in courts.
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