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That makes no sense to me, she got what she deserved and was lucky to get it. It is the person who got what they didn't deserve is what bothers me and I'm not impressed by your gender. Getting screwed over by spending years or your life in prison or the death penalty is not by gender of a bunch of white women. It is adding you are a person of a darker colour person, female or male. Justice can't be described in all 50 states or counties as the same, justice is not equal, that I do know.
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It isn't just black people who get mistreated by the criminal justice system, katie. It's also white women like Debra Milke and Jodi Arias. That's the point.

Think about what happened to Milke for a moment. There she was, a woman whose son was murdered by a man she knew who was caught and convicted for the murder. Did that man claim she put him up to it? No. There was no testimony in court from him that she had done so. There was no other evidence of her guilt other than one cop claiming that she had confessed to him! No written confession, no video, no audio confession, just that one cop claiming she had told him she was guilty of murder.

And with that "evidence" a dumb, biased jury sent her to Arizona's death row where she spent 20 years before being released.

Don't try to tell me that it is only black people who get the shaft from our criminal justice system. That's baloney.

And whether or not Jodi Arias received the right sentence she was still discriminated against judging by all the men who committed the same kind of crime against women who did not get the kind of sentence she received. They will get out of prison.


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THere is a vast difference between Milke and Arias, who planned a murder, drove hundreds of miles to do it, lured her victim through sex to the shower, stabbed him 28 times, slit his throat, then shot him in the head, she is lucky to be alive, which I agreed with, I don't like putting psychos/socios to death, ain't there "fault" doesn't mean they were wrongly convicted or shouldn't be in a lock down. Arias would have had another boyfriend she turned off and another murder, Milke obviously not.
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THere is a vast difference between Milke and Arias, who planned a murder, drove hundreds of miles to do it, lured her victim through sex to the shower, stabbed him 28 times, slit his throat, then shot him in the head, she is lucky to be alive, which I agreed with, I don't like putting psychos/socios to death, ain't there "fault" doesn't mean they were wrongly convicted or shouldn't be in a lock down. Arias would have had another boyfriend she turned off and another murder, Milke obviously not.



I think Arias got the sentence she deserved. I just want to see men who commit the same crime against girl friends getting the same sentence. Not a much more lenient sentence which will result in them being set free within less than 20 years if not less than 10 years. That's the problem along with a prosecutor who seems to be unconcerned about that slight discrepancy within the Arizona criminal justice system.
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I think that has a lot to do with sentencing rules, your past life seems to count for a lot.
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I think that has a lot to do with sentencing rules, your past life seems to count for a lot.



It has more to do with the concepts of first and second degree murder and of course the bias which favors white men in our criminal justice system. I don't believe Jodi Arias had any kind of criminal history but that didn't matter in her case. The prosecution went to great lengths to try to show that she committed first degree murder rather than second degree murder.

But they didn't actually prove that's what it was. It showed a lot of signs of what's known as a crime of passion as well as second degree murder. If it was a carefully thought out premeditated murder it sure didn't look like one.

But none of that really matters. The prosecutor and the jury wanted her to be guilty of first degree murder and so that's what they considered her guilty of.
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just so that we are all clear about who Philer is proposing for beatification...

Her victim sustained 27 to 29 stab wounds, a slit throat, and a gunshot wound to the head, his jugular vein, common carotid artery, and trachea had been slashed and that Alexander had defensive wounds on his hands

all of which occurred in what Arias claims was self defence!

I must be apparent to every one that the attack was in at least two phases a knife attack and then a shooting SOME the knife attack might conceivably (but implausibly) have been self defence but to then set down the knife and pick up a gun means that the shooting had to be murder (attempted murder at the very least)

BTW an .25 Colt pistol was stolen from her grandparents home just before the shooting the gun was never recovered BUT any one want to guess what type of gun the victim was shot with?

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I don't consider Arias some sort of saint but she's no worse than men in Arizona who murdered their girlfriends who were convicted of something legally classified as less serious than first degree murder. The overkill and extreme trauma she inflicted on her victim is evidence of what's known as a crime of passion.

The fact that she apparently stole a gun only indicates that she may have been considering murder, not that she planned to murder Travis. All of the behaviour she engaged in that supposedly indicates first degree murder occurred does not prove she committed first degree murder, only that she was very angry at him and contemplating murder.

The reality is that she murdered someone and should spend exactly the same amount of time behind bars that men who murdered their girlfriends in Arizona should be locked up. But she will remain locked up while they will be set free probably just about as soon as a parole board can free them.

That's not equal justice under the law but it does indicate how biased in favor of men the state of Arizona is.
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she's no worse than men in Arizona who murdered their girlfriends who were convicted of something legally classified as less serious than first degree



care to find a similar example?

multiple SERIOUS knife wounds followed by shooting - AND displays the degree of forward planning suggested by the earlier theft of the murder gun from a family member

had she stabbed him (even a couple of times) I would agree with you the sentence would have been harsh, but she stabbed him at least 27 times and damn near cut his head off!

and then not content got the gun (which she almost certainly stole earlier in preparation) and shot him in the head - just to be sure.

Cold blooded, callous, premeditated MURDER

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she's no worse than men in Arizona who murdered their girlfriends who were convicted of something legally classified as less serious than first degree



care to find a similar example?

multiple SERIOUS knife wounds followed by shooting - AND displays the degree of forward planning suggested by the earlier theft of the murder gun from a family member

had she stabbed him (even a couple of times) I would agree with you the sentence would have been harsh, but she stabbed him at least 27 times and damn near cut his head off!

and then not content got the gun (which she almost certainly stole earlier in preparation) and shot him in the head - just to be sure.

Cold blooded, callous, premeditated MURDER



I've mentioned an Arizona case in the past. According to you it happened too long ago to be relevant as if human nature and the state of Arizona had changed that much since then. I don't believe either has changed enough to make that case irrelevant.

Jimmy Lee Gray not only strangled his 16 year old girlfriend, he also cut her throat and for that murder he received a grand total of seven years in prison after being convicted of second degree murder.

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had she stabbed him (even a couple of times) I would agree with you the sentence would have been harsh, but she stabbed him at least 27 times and damn near cut his head off!

and then not content got the gun (which she almost certainly stole earlier in preparation) and shot him in the head - just to be sure.

Cold blooded, callous, premeditated MURDER



Just the opposite. Hot blooded, prompted by extreme anger, a classic crime of passion involving overkill.
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