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In your mind it promotes some type of liberal agenda. I don't consider films that portray gross abuse as mythology nor do I identify those who have suffered gross abuses as just having "a bad childhood." My question would be what do you consider a bad childhood?



A childhood full of physical and/or mental abuse is a bad childhood. Which gender suffers those kinds of childhoods the most? It isn't males.

If an abusive childhood was what generated violent criminals who liked to prey on the innocent most criminals of that kind would be women.



From what I have read and it was a few years ago, 50% of abusers/murderers/rapists were not themselves abused. Your statement really reads men are "worse," yeah, I know. Men aren't generally labled as nurturers, carers either, women are.



I suspect the percentage is higher than that. You can certainly learn the behaviour without yourself being mistreated.

Another big part of the problem is not being raised to respect other people. Parents need to keep in mind that it isn't only their children who matter.
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Some people are lousy parents who shouldn't have kids but to assign to all parents whose children are what you describe is totally wrong! I don't think you know much about parenting by your replies as one can teach their kids respect, have discipline and things go can go very wonky and it is heartbreaking and devastating for a parent as they always feel guilty, not everything a grown adult does is the responsibility their parents, good or bad, most often they have to own it instead of the blame game as you are doing. That is the problem of today, no one owns their !@#$, it's always someone else's fault.
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I'm not attributing no blame to the child, katie. Even as young teens they shoulder most of the responsibility if they commit violent crimes.

What I'm saying is that parents can help create violent criminals by raising people with a tremendous sense of privilege over others as well as a sense of superiority both intellectually and in regard to their own value as human beings. The ironic thing is that many of these Prima Donna criminals who have little to no regard for their victims are themselves essentially worthless human beings who merely believe they are more important than other people. It's what they have been conditioned to believe by overly doting parents.
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I'm not attributing no blame to the child, katie. Even as young teens they shoulder most of the responsibility if they commit violent crimes.

What I'm saying is that parents can help create violent criminals by raising people with a tremendous sense of privilege over others as well as a sense of superiority both intellectually and in regard to their own value as human beings. The ironic thing is that many of these Prima Donna criminals who have little to no regard for their victims are themselves essentially worthless human beings who merely believe they are more important than other people. It's what they have been conditioned to believe by overly doting parents.



And I am saying it is a misrepresentation of parents in general. every kid who victimized others is not always the parents fault and I do not understand why you cannot acknowledge that. You can also say then every parent who was neglectful to their child turns out an ass, both are far from true and all blame cannot be placed on even a horrid parent, get help, do what you have to do to be healthy and have a better life, you are an adult and now responsible for all your actions, good or bad. You can "spoil" your kids, just not "rotten," as I and most do. Most parents who aren't a mess have boundaries, sometimes we miss the mark but it is such a difficult job that even as a young mother with no kid experience,(I rarely babysat) I caught on quick as having bratty, spoiled kids would make my life a living nightmare and as a working mother, some years single it just wasn't going to happen and I think especially now, it is more of a commonality than not. Then we always get "news" on the worst of the worst, I think that is mistaken for it is the majority.
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I don't consider it the parents fault as much as I consider them to be contributors to the problem. It's similar in some ways to the responsibility of gun manufacturers and gun dealers when some killer buys one of their high powered guns and goes on a shooting rampage. They contribute to the problem but they are not the main ones responsible.

Parents have a tremendous responsibility not to bring up children who only care about what they want and disrespect other people but their responsibility in avoiding that doesn't excuse children who grow up to commit violent crimes nor relieve them of their primary responsibility for those crimes.
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Yes we do and most of us do that job. We may have snotty, spoiled kids who don't care but the vast majority of us do not produce murderers or mass shooters and if you are in the category of my parents f**ked up, quit using that excuse and take responsibility and do something about it, your parents can no longer be your excuse, nor can I hold them responsible, if you are in your 'right mind.' If not, different subject.
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Yes we do and most of us do that job. We may have snotty, spoiled kids who don't care but the vast majority of us do not produce murderers or mass shooters and if you are in the category of my parents f**ked up, quit using that excuse and take responsibility and do something about it, your parents can no longer be your excuse, nor can I hold them responsible, if you are in your 'right mind.' If not, different subject.



Most parents are not, but some of them are a little like Dr. Frankenstein. They create monsters. And the way they do that is not by abusing them but by coddling them and turning them into Prima Donnas who don't care about other people but only about what they want. That said, I don't believe that those monsters they create or help to create are not responsible for what they do because I don't believe they are mentally ill. They are self-absorbed people who care about what they want when they want it who don't particularly care about other people.

A good example of that is Chris Watts. A man who appeared to be a good family man with a wife and two little daughters. In reality he was a monster who murdered his family, putting the bodies of his little daughters in giant oil tanks. He did that to get rid of what to him was an inconvenience interfering with what he wanted. A life with a new girlfriend without debts and responsibilities toward his old family.

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I' never heard about him and I didn't get any clue how he was raised. I look at or try cause it not my thing nor am I a participant, that makes it quite difficult as a what really is a guess but then even the experts can guess and be wrong. I like to watch if it is on tv, really the only way you can get a handle if you are not there, reading is insignificant. The few in major news or on tv, Dahmer was insane and shouldn't have stood trial. John Gacy, Bundy, the Green River killer knew exactly what they were doing although 'sick.' Jodi Arias, I'm not so sure, the point is knowing right from wrong and I'm not so sure she did. Every single person is different, like children but you always want to paint with one brush, I paint with many brushes............
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I paint with one brush when that is appropriate. In the case of violent criminals they have an agenda which they care more about than their victims. That is essentially always the case hence only one brush is needed to paint a good general overview of the criminal personality.

That was true of the violent criminals you mentioned, Bundy, Gacy, the Green River killer and Jodi Arias. It probably was also true in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer. And it was true in the case of Chris Watts, a man who murdered his family because he had another agenda that was more important to him. He was an extremely selfish, self-absorbed person who cared much more about himself and what he wanted than he did his family.

It should also be fairly obvious that when you care that much about yourself and what you want it is extremely unlikely that you were significantly abused as a child. Your problem isn't low self-esteem from being treated as if you were a bad person while growing up.
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Of course you can, that is what I stated. Even if you have that behavior there is help. You want to lump all those murderers together, yet each one is different in many ways and in others the same. Dahmer was schozid along with the general personality disorder. Gacy also. It is the difference of knowing right from wrong, the did not. They all are psychos/sociopaths. Bundy and the Green River killers still knew the difference between right and wrong, they were rapists which we know is about power, control, possession. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if we disagree how one got to that point as I don't believe either of us would want any of these characters roaming our neighborhood.
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