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Why did I do it, it's called young and dumb. I was however smart enough to give some stuff a pass, others I tried and went no thanks. No I didn't murder anyone, I didn't rob or hurt anyone and saying criminals commit acts not knowing it's wrong, seriously? Not everything you do wrong has to be a criminal act either, there are mistakes and bad choices, some are dangerous and against the law.



"Young and dumb" enough to not know it was wrong? The stuff you gave a pass to were the drugs you considered wrong to use.

From the perspective of most criminals what they do is not wrong. They rationalize their crimes just like drug users rationalize taking the drug they want to take. They don't believe it is wrong to take that drug. They believe they have some sort of justification for doing so. In the case of addicts they believe their addiction justifies it.
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 That is a huge misconception. Rationalization does not mean you don't know it's wrong, it is rationalizing what you know is wrong and justifying it. When one is addicted or a committing a crime unless the are crazy there is no denial, denial is what they present to you not to themselves. They all know who they are and that isn't youth, it's people. Take domestic abusers, it's your fault, you pushed my button, excuses and they know it.
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What's the purpose of rationalization if it isn't to convince yourself that something is right to do? Why even bother with that mental exercise if you're going to do something anyway that you know is wrong simply because you want to do it? If merely wanting to do it was sufficient you wouldn't need the rationalization.

The reality is that people normally do what they believe is right to do. If they truly believed it was wrong they wouldn't do it.

We see plenty of evidence of that since people avoid doing what they believe is wrong all the time. Finding someone who does something they believe is wrong is much more difficult.
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That is the MO of many teens and young adults. It's part of growing up. It is a problem for those who don't grow up and at end of the day all of make decisions that don't serve our own purpose, it's called being human.
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That is the MO of many teens and young adults. It's part of growing up. It is a problem for those who don't grow up and at end of the day all of make decisions that don't serve our own purpose, it's called being human.



Yes, but one of the things that humans do is act on the basis of what they believe is the right thing to do. While there is a lot of evidence of people doing things that hurt them as well as other people, there isn't a lot of evidence that they knew they were doing something wrong at the time.
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I call that bad choices which wherever you live in the world, we all do it. It is being human not stupid, unless you mean a criminal act like robbing a bank or murder. Doing something wrong does not mean you don't know it's wrong, that is where that gut feeling comes in and is ignored. I don't believe in denial an over used phrase, when you screw up you know you've screwed up no matter how you try and present yourself, unless of course you are a psycho/sociopath and maybe not then either, I'm not sure at this point, not enough scientific evidence.
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I call that bad choices which wherever you live in the world, we all do it. It is being human not stupid, unless you mean a criminal act like robbing a bank or murder. Doing something wrong does not mean you don't know it's wrong, that is where that gut feeling comes in and is ignored. I don't believe in denial an over used phrase, when you screw up you know you've screwed up no matter how you try and present yourself, unless of course you are a psycho/sociopath and maybe not then either, I'm not sure at this point, not enough scientific evidence.



Of course people make bad choices but the question is did they realize it was a bad choice before they made it. The answer is no because if they had known that it was a bad one, why would they have made that particular choice? Then there is the question of how could they have known it was wrong if they didn't realize it was a bad choice? Figuring out that it was wrong afterwards is not the same thing as knowing it was wrong when you made the choice.

You have some difficult explaining to do, katie, if you want to maintain your point of view.
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Are you trying to tell me you haven't made a bad choice that your "gut feeling" said no and you did it anyway? If so, I am incredibly jealous.
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Are you trying to tell me you haven't made a bad choice that your "gut feeling" said no and you did it anyway? If so, I am incredibly jealous.



No, what I'm saying is that you act on the basis of what you consider the better option otherwise you wouldn't act on it. Any gut feelings you have would not be stronger than your belief in that supposedly better option. And of course many times that belief is in line with that gut feeling. Either way you're going to act on the basis of what you believe is the better course of action.

And that should leave you wondering how you can believe at the time of the action that it was wrong in any way.
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How many teens and in early 20's make bad choices, millions...billions? Then there are well grown up adults as well, afterall we are human!
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