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Re: Why and how is the corona virus worse than the flu ?
You have no idea whether this is endemic, You can get the flu more than once, especially considering flu is a very generic term. Your "assumptions" really? What are you playing black jack do you hit a soft 17..........with tacos I didn't have a choice, they were out of beef so I chose fish.
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Re: Why and how is the corona virus worse than the flu ?
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You have no idea whether this is endemic, You can get the flu more than once, especially considering flu is a very generic term. Your "assumptions" really? What are you playing black jack do you hit a soft 17..........with tacos I didn't have a choice, they were out of beef so I chose fish.
Of course we know covid19 is not endemic.
If it was endemic, then we would have constantly seen it before, because it would be in the water or food, be impossible to get rid of, or some other reason why it was endemic. That is not the case.
And getting the flu more than once does NOT mean you are not immune. What immumity means is that your immune system can identify it and produce methods of defeating it. That does not mean you won't get sick while your body is defeating it. It just means you don't die from it.
A virus has no choice.
It reproduces and sheds, and it does not know or have any way of influencing who gets it or not. If it is a child, likely the child's immune system will wipe it out quickly. Nothing at all like choosing between beef or fish tacos.
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Re: Why and how is the corona virus worse than the flu ?
Endemic does not mean you saw it "constantly before" especially considering this is a novel virus. What they do know so far it is not in our food or water nor has it been claimed anyone got sick/died from food or water. As far as the flu, I will take the H1N1 if you have a healthy immune system you will only get it once. You want to put all viruses in the same category, no can do. My point was a virus doesn't have a choice and one the vulnerable are gone, they will eat the fish taco.
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Endemic does not mean you saw it "constantly before" especially considering this is a novel virus. What they do know so far it is not in our food or water nor has it been claimed anyone got sick/died from food or water. As far as the flu, I will take the H1N1 if you have a healthy immune system you will only get it once. You want to put all viruses in the same category, no can do. My point was a virus doesn't have a choice and one the vulnerable are gone, they will eat the fish taco.
People are recovering from covid19 and testing negative, so then it it not endemic due to not be wiped out by your immune system.
You agree it is not in the food or water, and there is no vector like mosquitoes, so then it pretty much can not be endemic.
Viruses do not have a choice, so once the vulnerable are gone, then it is wiped out by our healthy immune systems. The virus is not likely going to survive.
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No one on this earth knows whether it is endemic or not, including you. You seem to still be missing what the word endemic means, Viruses do not only infect the vulnerable. Over centuries multi billions have died from disease that were healthy people and now we are seeing that now, do I have to repeat that two healthy people in their mid 30's died this week in my state? A virus survives as long as it can feed, otherwise we would have the ability to get rid of all viruses, yet the list is long where we have not, starting with lets say AIDS or the common cold............
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No one on this earth knows whether it is endemic or not, including you. You seem to still be missing what the word endemic means, Viruses do not only infect the vulnerable. Over centuries multi billions have died from disease that were healthy people and now we are seeing that now, do I have to repeat that two healthy people in their mid 30's died this week in my state? A virus survives as long as it can feed, otherwise we would have the ability to get rid of all viruses, yet the list is long where we have not, starting with lets say AIDS or the common cold............
Sure we do.
The causes of something being endemic include it being in the food or water, it never be killed off entirely, there being a common vector like mosquitoes, etc.
And we know all these common reasons are not true for covid19.
If someone in their 30s died from covid19, they were NOT healthy.
The reason we can not get rid of AIDS is because it invades and uses our immune system against us.
The reason we can not get rid of the common cold is that it hides. It stops trying to reproduce and hides out in an inactive state. Only to try reproducing again once we are weakened by something like cold weather.
Animals get hungrier and take more chances as they get hungry. Viruses do not. They can't tell or do anything different. They can't get desperate. They have no brain and there is no strategy involved. The always try to infect the healthy and vulnerable the same. But they simply fail with the healthy. There is nothing they can do to change that.
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Food or water has nothing to do with the common cold/flu or many endemic diseases that are viral. Food or water diseases are typically bacterial. Unless my state is lying, healthy people are dying and around the world. You can blow off science, doctors, nurses, other health care personal as lying by the millions but you can't accuse the hundreds of patients or their families that have be en on tv. All viruses/bacteria's invade are immune system, some times we win and sometimes we lose and plenty of times we aren't even aware. Neither the common cold or the flu "hide" they are here all year long and less in summer because being outdoors does make a difference with flu and colds and unlike what the idiot in chief said this is not true for covid, obviously. Viruses fail with the healthy, history does not show that and neither does the present time. you attack the healthy when you have run out of the elderly and unhealthy. They need to feed, as they are living as we are living.
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Food or water has nothing to do with the common cold/flu or many endemic diseases that are viral. Food or water diseases are typically bacterial. Unless my state is lying, healthy people are dying and around the world. You can blow off science, doctors, nurses, other health care personal as lying by the millions but you can't accuse the hundreds of patients or their families that have be en on tv. All viruses/bacteria's invade are immune system, some times we win and sometimes we lose and plenty of times we aren't even aware. Neither the common cold or the flu "hide" they are here all year long and less in summer because being outdoors does make a difference with flu and colds and unlike what the idiot in chief said this is not true for covid, obviously. Viruses fail with the healthy, history does not show that and neither does the present time. you attack the healthy when you have run out of the elderly and unhealthy. They need to feed, as they are living as we are living.
So how does rhinovirus avoid being wiped out?
It does so by ending its aggressive activity, and hiding out so it is not detected by the immune system.
Does covid19 do that?
No.
In fact, the immune system seems incredibly sensitive to covid19 and tried to move heaven and earth to wipe it out completely. So the odds of covid19 being able hide out in the human body seem very slim.
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Food or water has nothing to do with the common cold/flu or many endemic diseases that are viral. Food or water diseases are typically bacterial. Unless my state is lying, healthy people are dying and around the world. You can blow off science, doctors, nurses, other health care personal as lying by the millions but you can't accuse the hundreds of patients or their families that have be en on tv. All viruses/bacteria's invade are immune system, some times we win and sometimes we lose and plenty of times we aren't even aware. Neither the common cold or the flu "hide" they are here all year long and less in summer because being outdoors does make a difference with flu and colds and unlike what the idiot in chief said this is not true for covid, obviously. Viruses fail with the healthy, history does not show that and neither does the present time. you attack the healthy when you have run out of the elderly and unhealthy. They need to feed, as they are living as we are living.
Why do you keep saying that a virus will attack the healthy when they runn out of vulerable?
That can't be how it works because a virus has nothing to do with who it gets transmitted to.
The reality is simply that it is going to transmit to both healthy and vulnerable in our system of locking down the healthy and vulnerable together.
And it simply will be killed off by the healthy, and propagated by the vulnerable.
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I say it because I agree with you, in a way, "the virus has nothing to do with who it gets transmitted to," all diseases attack the vulnerable first, then they move on, no brainer when it is a pandemic.
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