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I do not believe people are allowed to carry guns in this current and very hysterical society.

While it is supposed to be legal to carry a gun, the laws, police, employers, business owners, etc., all make it pretty much impossible. It costs a lot for the license, classes, etc.
And then you still can't carry into any posted place, so you have to decide if leaving it in the car is safe enough?
You also have to hide it from employers, coworkers, etc., who have their own prejudices and illegal reactions.
So by what amounts to a lynch-mob mentality, people are denied their right of defense.



In many states it is legal to carry a gun without a permit so the right to do so is not being ignored in those states. In the case of women the problem is much greater than simply legal road blocks. It's being conditioned not to carry them because it supposedly isn't what women do or should be doing for various imaginary reasons including them being less competent to carry them than the police.

Depending on the environment and what they are doing, traveling etc. women should be carrying weapons of some kind for self-defense. That would be true even if it violated local ordnances or restrictions. Women need to realize that their ability to defend themselves is very important in generating a civilized society.
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I do not believe people are allowed to carry guns in this current and very hysterical society.

While it is supposed to be legal to carry a gun, the laws, police, employers, business owners, etc., all make it pretty much impossible. It costs a lot for the license, classes, etc.
And then you still can't carry into any posted place, so you have to decide if leaving it in the car is safe enough?
You also have to hide it from employers, coworkers, etc., who have their own prejudices and illegal reactions.
So by what amounts to a lynch-mob mentality, people are denied their right of defense.



In many states it is legal to carry a gun without a permit so the right to do so is not being ignored in those states. In the case of women the problem is much greater than simply legal road blocks. It's being conditioned not to carry them because it supposedly isn't what women do or should be doing for various imaginary reasons including them being less competent to carry them than the police.

Depending on the environment and what they are doing, traveling etc. women should be carrying weapons of some kind for self-defense. That would be true even if it violated local ordnances or restrictions. Women need to realize that their ability to defend themselves is very important in generating a civilized society.




It is very confusing and intimidating.
While some states do allow open carry, almost no city does.
They mostly only allow concealed carry.
And with concealed carry, almost all states require the classes, licensing, registration, etc.
Only Alaska, Arizona, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, Vermont and West Virginia generally do not require a permit or license to carry a handgun openly or concealed by any person who may lawfully possess a firearm.
But even in those states, it is still illegal to carry openly or concealed in a government building, church, where alcohol is served, school, or any building posted as denied.
For example:
{... The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is an act of the U.S. Congress prohibiting any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a loaded or unsecured firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25)....}
And a school zone includes 1000 feet buffer around the school, including if you happen to be driving by in the street.
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Who are "conditioning" women, it's not been stated. "Logically" women certainly are more prone to attack, that you think it must escape women, it doesn't. I don't know why they make the choice but like abortion it's a choice. From what I read households are at a rate of 45% of having a gun in the home yet the vast majority do not pack and carry, men or women. Much depends on many societal statistics, my chance of being attacked in my community is lower than a plane crash or having an affair with Brad Pitt. emoticon
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Who are "conditioning" women, it's not been stated. "Logically" women certainly are more prone to attack, that you think it must escape women, it doesn't. I don't know why they make the choice but like abortion it's a choice. From what I read households are at a rate of 45% of having a gun in the home yet the vast majority do not pack and carry, men or women. Much depends on many societal statistics, my chance of being attacked in my community is lower than a plane crash or having an affair with Brad Pitt. emoticon



From the time they are little girls women are being conditioned to avoid carrying and using guns. Often by parents who keep guns away from them as well as by their peers and the culture in general. Films and TV shows have a long history of women either not using a gun or using one incompetently. We do have role models now in films of women using guns but that is still a drop in the bucket compared to the conditioning that has preceded it.

Beyond just not using guns, films and TV shows have long portrayed women as helpless to defend themselves from criminals and needing to rely on men to save them. That has changed a little but not nearly enough. Just once I would have liked to see a woman splicing a telephone line cut by a criminal back together so she could call the police. I did see that happen once in a TV show but of course it was a man who did it. He even pointed out to a puzzled woman in the scene that only in the movies is it not possible to splice a cut phone line back together.

Women depend on blind luck to protect them in places where they need to be armed. They've essentially been taught to do that even though it makes no sense. It's sort of like being a sky diver and jumping out of an air plane with only one parachute and really hoping that nothing goes wrong with that one chute.

That is ridiculously irrational and unnecessary. For decades women could have been protecting themselves from violent criminals but have instead chosen to go around vulnerable while this dumbass society has continued to tell the tragic stories of them being viciously murdered by various pieces of low life scum. That is not what a rational civilized society would allow without at least putting up more of a fight.
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Who are "conditioning" women, it's not been stated. "Logically" women certainly are more prone to attack, that you think it must escape women, it doesn't. I don't know why they make the choice but like abortion it's a choice. From what I read households are at a rate of 45% of having a gun in the home yet the vast majority do not pack and carry, men or women. Much depends on many societal statistics, my chance of being attacked in my community is lower than a plane crash or having an affair with Brad Pitt. emoticon




Your chance of being attacked or needing to defend someone else from being attacked are over 100%. The statistics are everyone will become a victim of a serious crime about 2.5 times in their whole life.

Men have an excuse to not carry because they typically don't have any place to do that without everyone being able to tell.
But women can just put a little automatic in their purse.

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I have no problem with women who are legal putting a little something in their purse. Pack & carry means you don't have to hide and I am fine with it even in Texas they run you through a serious investigation. Persons who are frightened, should check out their state laws. Where I live, my chances are not 100%. "Everyone" is an awful big statistic, I've never been a crime victim, in living in the SF bay area to London. I did however have my wallet nicked in nowhere Hungary.................
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I have no problem with women who are legal putting a little something in their purse. Pack & carry means you don't have to hide and I am fine with it even in Texas they run you through a serious investigation. Persons who are frightened, should check out their state laws. Where I live, my chances are not 100%. "Everyone" is an awful big statistic, I've never been a crime victim, in living in the SF bay area to London. I did however have my wallet nicked in nowhere Hungary.................



Well yes, outside the US, crime is generally much lower.
The UK has better urban development planning, fewer ghettos, better healthcare, education, and job access, etc.
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I have no problem with women who are legal putting a little something in their purse. Pack & carry means you don't have to hide and I am fine with it even in Texas they run you through a serious investigation. Persons who are frightened, should check out their state laws. Where I live, my chances are not 100%. "Everyone" is an awful big statistic, I've never been a crime victim, in living in the SF bay area to London. I did however have my wallet nicked in nowhere Hungary.................



Carrying a gun in a purse is a little sketchy. Better to have a gun on your person and have the purse more as a diversion. In fact women should probably not carry anything of value in their purses.

I hope you didn't lose too much money when your wallet was stolen in Hungary.
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I have no problem with women who are legal putting a little something in their purse. Pack & carry means you don't have to hide and I am fine with it even in Texas they run you through a serious investigation. Persons who are frightened, should check out their state laws. Where I live, my chances are not 100%. "Everyone" is an awful big statistic, I've never been a crime victim, in living in the SF bay area to London. I did however have my wallet nicked in nowhere Hungary.................



Well yes, outside the US, crime is generally much lower.
The UK has better urban development planning, fewer ghettos, better healthcare, education, and job access, etc.



So you think the UK has been "urban" development, no, tower blocks in mass are not better, it has plenty of "ghettos" what makes you think it doesn't and far more than I've seen in this country. It does not have better healthcare, I worked there and it sucked compared to this country, even with their access,if you care to wait 9 months for a 400 dollar scan or 6 months for a damn porta potty for an old person. What do you know about job access or education? You threw out something and hoped it'd stick, it isn't.
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I have no problem with women who are legal putting a little something in their purse. Pack & carry means you don't have to hide and I am fine with it even in Texas they run you through a serious investigation. Persons who are frightened, should check out their state laws. Where I live, my chances are not 100%. "Everyone" is an awful big statistic, I've never been a crime victim, in living in the SF bay area to London. I did however have my wallet nicked in nowhere Hungary.................



Well yes, outside the US, crime is generally much lower.
The UK has better urban development planning, fewer ghettos, better healthcare, education, and job access, etc.



So you think the UK has been "urban" development, no, tower blocks in mass are not better, it has plenty of "ghettos" what makes you think it doesn't and far more than I've seen in this country. It does not have better healthcare, I worked there and it sucked compared to this country, even with their access,if you care to wait 9 months for a 400 dollar scan or 6 months for a damn porta potty for an old person. What do you know about job access or education? You threw out something and hoped it'd stick, it isn't.



The urban planning of England is often used as a teaching example of how to do it right. As explained to me, London has concentric rings of industrial, commercial, and residential, in order to minimize commutes, while keeping residential away from industrial.

England is also often used as an example of successful socialism, with low unemployment,housing and job guarantees, subsidized tuition, etc.
I have no first hand experience, but many sources are complementary.
For example, England has lots of apprenticeship programs starting at the age of 16, and the US has none for underage, and very little for anyone.
{...
Finally, there is an important difference in information. Almost every school-leaver in Britain is interviewed by the Careers Service before leaving school, and nearly a quarter find their first job through the Service. By contrast, in the U.S. the state plays little more role in the placement of youths than in the placement of adults
...}
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/6908289.pdf
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