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Re: Our jury system in a nutshell
You don't know either, you are cherry picking.
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5/6/2020, 12:47 am
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Re: Our jury system in a nutshell
quote: katie5445 wrote:
You don't know either, you are cherry picking.
You don't recognize the power of a case like that of Gloria's to demonstrate an entrenched defect in the system. If twelve people selected more or less at random from the relatively intelligent population who votes can take the word of a known criminal that a woman masterminded a robbery and murder that has enormous implications about the jury system itself.
Keep in mind exactly what that jury did. They found a woman whom they knew nothing at all about guilty of not only robbery and conspiracy but also of murder. They did that based on essentially no evidence other than the claim of a violent criminal who easily could have been lying to save himself from worse punishment. The other participant in the robbery and murder did not implicate her and claimed not to even know her.
But there is another aspect of this case that you may be overlooking. Even if the one crook had been telling the truth about her being the mastermind, she wouldn't have been guilty of murder because the killing was not planned ahead of time. It was the type of killing known as "felony homicide," one that takes place inadvertently during the course of another crime. The jury was willing to convict Gloria of something that it doesn't appear she could even have been guilty of even if the one who actually committed the crimes had been telling the truth.
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5/6/2020, 9:31 pm
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I've never denied a "defect" in the system. Do I think juries go easier on white men, hell yes, especially in women killing their partner after years of abuse when they are sleeping instead of during an act of violence and that includes with proven acts of violence by hospital and police records. To think that women who report sexual assault or rape at such an abysmal low of what those statistics really are and when you see the public saying, liar, no proof, shows where all women are in such a significant amount of the public.
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Even if an abused woman killed a man while he was attacking her the tendency would be to disbelieve that the woman acted in self-defense. I talked about the Crystal Mangum case where the male victim even admitted to attacking her but she was still found guilty of second degree murder by a jury.
Contrast that to "crimes of passion" where some guy murders his wife because she was cheating on him. That is actually the action of a Prima Donna turning to violence because his ego was bruised. But that's not how this society sees it. It is considered a lesser crime because the woman is considered a bad person who provoked the guy and caused him to lose control of himself. He may even be acquitted of any crime completely and allowed to walk free.
Of course when women commit "crimes of passion" suddenly the same standards don't apply and the woman likely will be found guilty of murder and locked up in prison for a long time.
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