The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’s https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t4550 Runboard| The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’s en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 20:19:39 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 20:19:39 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51134,from=rss#post51134https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51134,from=rss#post51134quote:katie5445 wrote: Then what are you reading? Terrorist groups in the ME claim those bombings with pride, they were martyrs. For me it does not dismiss US bombings, drones or cruise missiles, what it says to me between the US, ME terrorists, you murdered thousands upon thousands and displaced millions. There is no righteousness to claim. There have been some bombings in Iraq that were based on the Sunni/Shia conflict. And there are attempts to shut down western influences, like With Afghanistan, it is more complicated. But here is an example, with attacks on 3 schools for women. {... In separate assaults, a girls’ high school in Logar Province, near the capital, Kabul, was burned on April 11, and masked attackers struck a school in the village of Momandara, in Nangarhar Province, on Saturday night, setting archives and labs ablaze, according to education officials. No one was reported hurt in those two attacks. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but government officials blamed Taliban insurgents for the attacks on the government outposts. In recent years, mainstream Taliban forces have normally refrained from attacking schools. ...} Taliban normally refrain from attacking schools because it is against Islam to attack schools. While US propaganda claims Moslems don't want women to be educated, that is just totally untrue. Islam requires women to be educated. But in Afghanistan, there is a strong anti-western feeling, that can easily get out of control, since we forced the Taliban to be disorganized. So no matter who did this, I think it is still our fault. But I also believe it often is the US military that is actually behind many of these attacks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:41:41 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51130,from=rss#post51130https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51130,from=rss#post51130Then what are you reading? Terrorist groups in the ME claim those bombings with pride, they were martyrs. For me it does not dismiss US bombings, drones or cruise missiles, what it says to me between the US, ME terrorists, you murdered thousands upon thousands and displaced millions. There is no righteousness to claim.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 06:13:52 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51125,from=rss#post51125https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51125,from=rss#post51125quote:katie5445 wrote: I see the Taliban as profit motivated with an excuse of Allah and being a martyr. I would say evil is blowing up market places, villages, shopping centers, hotels, restaurants by the Taliban when the vast majority were their own Muslim citizens, mass murder. Hitler was ignorant and it appears a drug addict, what made him appealing didn't come from him but his inner circle. The build of of military after WW1, going through depression yet having a manufacturing boom, to having healthcare and pensions. Once the Gestapo got heavy handed with Germans, I think it was part of the Hitler/Nazi downfall. History taught me, all Germans in that time period were Nazi's, not close to true. How do you know the Taliban ever blew up "market places, villages, shopping centers, hotels, restaurants", etc? The US has not only done this many times, but there are lots of competing war lords as well. The Taliban are not profit motivated, but need to maintain their popularity with the people, so have no reason to do the bombing you claim they have done. When I read about the terror of average citizens in Afghanistan, it is always about US planes, bombs, drones, cruise missiles, etc.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 04:49:48 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51104,from=rss#post51104https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51104,from=rss#post51104I see the Taliban as profit motivated with an excuse of Allah and being a martyr. I would say evil is blowing up market places, villages, shopping centers, hotels, restaurants by the Taliban when the vast majority were their own Muslim citizens, mass murder. Hitler was ignorant and it appears a drug addict, what made him appealing didn't come from him but his inner circle. The build of of military after WW1, going through depression yet having a manufacturing boom, to having healthcare and pensions. Once the Gestapo got heavy handed with Germans, I think it was part of the Hitler/Nazi downfall. History taught me, all Germans in that time period were Nazi's, not close to true.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:10 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51076,from=rss#post51076https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51076,from=rss#post51076quote:katie5445 wrote: Uncorrupt is not killing your "own kind" in a market place and calling them martyrs. Uncorrupt is not disinterested in oil and land and more greed which they were. There was a time when the Taliban were meeting with the Afghan govt. as being a part of, which I thought was a good idea but they have shown their true colours, they are nothing but terrorist thugs. I was once supportive of the taliban, Afghanistan and the US making a "deal" I no longer am. "Far more evil than Hitler" that is an insane statement to make. We are not the do gooders we claim to be but Hitler is taking it to a whole other level! I do not know of these examples of evil by the Taliban you speak of? But have you considered that the US has been known to do things like car bombings they blame on someone else, in order to make them look bad? The Taliban are the least profit motivated, so pretty much have to be the least corrupt. As for Hitler, he was very ignorant, but what he did actually was with good intent. That is better than US profit motives. But the subject is too vast. If there is some particular thing Hitler did that appears of evil intent, post it and I will explain what the actual intent likely was.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:16:04 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51050,from=rss#post51050https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51050,from=rss#post51050Uncorrupt is not killing your "own kind" in a market place and calling them martyrs. Uncorrupt is not disinterested in oil and land and more greed which they were. There was a time when the Taliban were meeting with the Afghan govt. as being a part of, which I thought was a good idea but they have shown their true colours, they are nothing but terrorist thugs. I was once supportive of the taliban, Afghanistan and the US making a "deal" I no longer am. "Far more evil than Hitler" that is an insane statement to make. We are not the do gooders we claim to be but Hitler is taking it to a whole other level!nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 07 Jul 2020 23:39:27 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51012,from=rss#post51012https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51012,from=rss#post51012quote:katie5445 wrote: I already said the US shouldn't be there but that doesn't make the Taliban the good guys either. "Being incredibly popular", so was Hitler. But the Taliban ARE the good guys in Afghanistan. They are a combination of the university idealists and honest clerics. I do not share their ideas or ideals, but they were the only honest and uncorrupted forces that could counter the warlords. The US is the bad guys. We massacre, bribe and extort. We do not know anything about Afghanistan, and we do not care. We are only in it for the money and power. We are far more evil than Hitler ever was, since Hitler was not just in it for profits, and although he was ignorant, he was intent on the good of Germany.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:04:00 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51009,from=rss#post51009https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51009,from=rss#post51009I already said the US shouldn't be there but that doesn't make the Taliban the good guys either. "Being incredibly popular", so was Hitler.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 04 Jul 2020 05:43:55 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51004,from=rss#post51004https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51004,from=rss#post51004quote:katie5445 wrote: I was against the invasion of Iraq, 100% but the Taliban are terrorists. If they weren't they wouldn't have murdered or displaced so many of their own countrymen, women, old men, kids, they didn't give a shit, they called them martyrs, which is a load of bollocks. No, the problem is the US is bribing people into being traitors who deserve to die. The Taliban is incredibly popular. Afghanistan will NEVER accept foreign domination, and the US presence increased the popularity of the Taliban incredibly. The idea the US presence could ever be accepted there is insane. And anyone stationed there should be just shot immediately. Even if their intent is benign, such ignorance should not be tolerated. {... The First Anglo-Afghan War (Pashto: د افغان-انگرېز لومړۍ جگړه‎, also known by the British as the Disaster in Afghanistan)[3] was fought between the British East India Company and the Emirate of Afghanistan from 1839 to 1842. Initially, the British successfully intervened in a succession dispute between emir Dost Mohammad (Barakzai) and former emir Shah Shujah (Durrani), whom they installed upon conquering Kabul in August 1839. The main British Indian and Sikh force occupying Kabul along with their camp followers, having endured harsh winters as well, was almost completely annihilated while retreating in January 1842.[1][2] The British then sent an Army of Retribution to Kabul to avenge their defeat, and having demolished parts of the capital and recovered prisoners they left Afghanistan altogether by the end of the year. Dost Mohamed returned from exile in India to resume his rule. It was one of the first major conflicts during the Great Game, the 19th century competition for power and influence in Central Asia between Britain and Russia.[4] ...} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 04 Jul 2020 05:05:37 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50995,from=rss#post50995https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50995,from=rss#post50995I was against the invasion of Iraq, 100% but the Taliban are terrorists. If they weren't they wouldn't have murdered or displaced so many of their own countrymen, women, old men, kids, they didn't give a shit, they called them martyrs, which is a load of bollocks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 04 Jul 2020 02:48:50 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50989,from=rss#post50989https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50989,from=rss#post50989quote:katie5445 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:Geezess wrote: " we never should have been in Afghanistan " But are. But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not. Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive. Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan. Biden was not the president, as he said in private him and Obama disagreed and what those disagreements were, we are not privy and Biden said, Obama listened and made up is his mind the buck stops with the president he makes the final decision. I thought it would work out for awhile, the Taliban promising to stop terrorism and become part to the Afghanistan govt like Sein Fein and N,Ireland but they broke their promise and are still terrorists. That Trump invited them to Camp David was not a positive under any circumstances if he read the intelligence reports to what I got online a long time ago. That is just wrong. The Taliban were NEVER terrorists. The ONLY terrorists were the US. The US soldiers there are in violation of the law and are always killing civilians. The Taliban are the only legitimate government in Afghanistan, have popular support, and have always only killed soldiers. Sorry, but the US position is totally without merit regardless of what fake intelligence reports they may manufacture. The only body with any popular support is the Taliban. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:53:55 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50988,from=rss#post50988https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50988,from=rss#post50988quote:Tombstone1881 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan. Why? So he can facilitate his BFF Putin's payoff money for the bounty he put on killing US servicemen? The US troops should not have been IN Afghanistan, and they deserve a bounty for first killing innocent Soviet soldiers and then killing innocent Taliban soldiers and civilians. All the US soldiers in Afghanistan should be prosecuted.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:48:29 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50981,from=rss#post50981https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50981,from=rss#post50981quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:Geezess wrote: " we never should have been in Afghanistan " But are. But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not. Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive. Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan. Biden was not the president, as he said in private him and Obama disagreed and what those disagreements were, we are not privy and Biden said, Obama listened and made up is his mind the buck stops with the president he makes the final decision. I thought it would work out for awhile, the Taliban promising to stop terrorism and become part to the Afghanistan govt like Sein Fein and N,Ireland but they broke their promise and are still terrorists. That Trump invited them to Camp David was not a positive under any circumstances if he read the intelligence reports to what I got online a long time ago.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:33:38 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50970,from=rss#post50970https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50970,from=rss#post50970quote:Rigby5 wrote: Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan. Why? So he can facilitate his BFF Putin's payoff money for the bounty he put on killing US servicemen?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Tombstone1881)Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:38:23 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50965,from=rss#post50965https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50965,from=rss#post50965quote:Geezess wrote: " we never should have been in Afghanistan " But are. But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not. Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive. Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:16:41 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50964,from=rss#post50964https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50964,from=rss#post50964" we never should have been in Afghanistan " But are.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Geezess)Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:52:31 +0000 Re: The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50962,from=rss#post50962https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50962,from=rss#post50962No, we never should have been in Afghanistan, Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan both, and did neither. We had no right to ever attack our old allies, the Taliban, and whomever was responsible should be punished. Remember, we created the whole Mujaheddin in 1979. And the Taliban offered to arrest bin Laden for us, before 9/11.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:07:01 +0000 The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’shttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50961,from=rss#post50961https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p50961,from=rss#post50961The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’s Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. meeting American troops at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan in January 2011. A few thousand American troops to train the Afghan Army. A single-minded focus on counterterrorism, with C.I.A. drones and Special Operations units hunting down terrorists. A healthy skepticism of Pakistan as an abettor of Islamic extremism. And an explicit repudiation of grand plans to nurture a Jeffersonian democracy in Central Asia. These are the hallmarks of the Afghanistan strategy President Trump set out on Monday night. They are also the hallmarks of the strategy former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. tried unsuccessfully to sell to President Barack Obama in the fall of 2009. The parallels between Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Biden’s plans provided a sense of irony — even comfort — for the Washington foreign policy establishment, which has felt deeply alienated during this presidency, watching Mr. Trump’s unorthodox statecraft with a mix of horror and dismay. But the similarities are more than a historical footnote: Mr. Biden has talked about running for president in 2020, and he would start off as a front-runner in a splintered Democratic field. If Mr. Biden were to run, he would no doubt make his foreign policy credentials, and Mr. Trump’s haphazard debut on the global stage, a major theme of his campaign. Now that Mr. Trump has embraced Mr. Biden’s plan for Afghanistan, he has blurred a line between him and Mr. Obama’s No. 2, as well as with the foreign policy establishment Mr. Trump ran against in 2016. “I had a strong sense of déjà vu listening to Trump’s speech,” said Brian Katulis, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. “It’s almost as if our national security institutions and foreign policy elite are only capable of recycling different versions of some of the same ideas discussed for more than a decade and a half on Afghanistan.”nondisclosed_email@example.com (Tombstone1881)Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:30:34 +0000