How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panels https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t4558 Runboard| How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panels en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:52:43 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:52:43 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51418,from=rss#post51418https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51418,from=rss#post51418quote:Fiero425 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: Oh I don't know. The wealthy elite need masses to do all the work, and to be consumers. The only problem may be that with fossil fuels running out, it could be there are just too many of us. So they may intend to cull the herd? Not sure. They sure used to like to have as many of us as possible, as cannon fodder. That would be the one of the latest theories with Corona Virus! It's obviously more lethal to the elderly so "thinning the herd" seems to be the upside admitted by some Republican hack from the South! Resources aren't infinite, but worldwide leadership has been lacking in finding alternative fuels; esp. here in the States! They'd rather destroy the Earth's core "fracking" for oil which has proved to cause Earthquakes! A moratorium had to be invoked near Colorado airports with cracks showing up! Easier then the Nazis sending people off to death camps. Agree fracking contaminates water.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:56:41 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51413,from=rss#post51413https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51413,from=rss#post51413quote:Rigby5 wrote: Oh I don't know. The wealthy elite need masses to do all the work, and to be consumers. The only problem may be that with fossil fuels running out, it could be there are just too many of us. So they may intend to cull the herd? Not sure. They sure used to like to have as many of us as possible, as cannon fodder. That would be the one of the latest theories with Corona Virus! It's obviously more lethal to the elderly so "thinning the herd" seems to be the upside admitted by some Republican hack from the South! Resources aren't infinite, but worldwide leadership has been lacking in finding alternative fuels; esp. here in the States! They'd rather destroy the Earth's core "fracking" for oil which has proved to cause Earthquakes! A moratorium had to be invoked near Colorado airports with cracks showing up! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Fiero425)Sat, 08 Aug 2020 06:47:49 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51412,from=rss#post51412https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51412,from=rss#post51412Oh I don't know. The wealthy elite need masses to do all the work, and to be consumers. The only problem may be that with fossil fuels running out, it could be there are just too many of us. So they may intend to cull the herd? Not sure. They sure used to like to have as many of us as possible, as cannon fodder.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:57:48 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51411,from=rss#post51411https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51411,from=rss#post51411How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panels ? They long have. It is the hidden agenda. If you think in terms of the 1% and their neo-fascist lackeys, wanting a return to some sort of a new age, elitist feudalism, which requires a huge reduction in the whole earth's population, so the elimination of the "useless eaters", (key words), as the fundamental step one, things becomes logical. It is horrific , unimaginable, but as a framework, don't all of the pieces, all of the governmental dysfunction, suddenly fall into place ? Donald Trump's war on the poor has historical precedent — and its not pretty Trump's budget proposes many ways to punish the poor. It's a new version of the Nazi urge to purge "parasites" https://www.salon.com/2017/03/20/donald ... ot-pretty/ nondisclosed_email@example.com (Geezess)Fri, 07 Aug 2020 20:16:16 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51408,from=rss#post51408https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51408,from=rss#post51408quote:katie5445 wrote: What seems "obvious" to you, is not by science or medical professionals, it is no different than "pill mills" they only care about making money. A virus can go away without herd immunity when there is an epidemic/ pandemic, no "partying" and passing disease means the disease has no one to feed on and it dies, just like when there is a vaccine or when people stay away from a viral contagion, the rules and not that different with the common cold, are they? Hand washing and distance is the common cold is passed with very healthy people, kids in winter, indoors, if you have raised them, they have colds frequently and that is because, kids are the petri dish of disease, especially with covid. It is possible to end an epidemic without herd immunity, but that is ONLY through very strict quarantine. The US has only done that with Ebola, and none other. All other epidemics were only ended by herd immunity. Since it is way too late to try quarantine for covid-19, then herd immunity is the ONLY way it will end. You can never flatten the curve enough to end covid-19 in the US. Totally and completely impossible. No epidemic has ever been ended through flattening the curve.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Thu, 06 Aug 2020 15:41:09 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51399,from=rss#post51399https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51399,from=rss#post51399What seems "obvious" to you, is not by science or medical professionals, it is no different than "pill mills" they only care about making money. A virus can go away without herd immunity when there is an epidemic/ pandemic, no "partying" and passing disease means the disease has no one to feed on and it dies, just like when there is a vaccine or when people stay away from a viral contagion, the rules and not that different with the common cold, are they? Hand washing and distance is the common cold is passed with very healthy people, kids in winter, indoors, if you have raised them, they have colds frequently and that is because, kids are the petri dish of disease, especially with covid.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Thu, 06 Aug 2020 06:04:46 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51386,from=rss#post51386https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51386,from=rss#post51386quote:katie5445 wrote: Untrue or we would have a whole different scenario's on the common cold. The non vulnerable are at risk, you choose to ignore it. Those "partying" are passing it on to those vulnerable and not so much. So I'm vulnerable because of my age yet healthy, lots of life left but thats okay by you? So whats up your'e, choosing eugenics? The common cold is not an appropriate analogy because it is ubiquitous and endemic. There is no question of infection. It is guaranteed. Whether you show symptoms or not is just dependent upon you current health state. It does not matter if the non-vulnerable are also at risk since their risk not only is much smaller, but that the same number of people have to gain immunity either way. Whether or not those partying are passing it on or not is a factor only of whether or not the vulnerable are being properly quarantined, NOT whether or not people are partying. Stopping the partying can NOT possibly protect anyone because the virus will still remain present until herd immunity is achieved. So those vulnerable WILL get infected whether or not there is partying. The only difference is that with partying, you achieve herd immunity faster, and that allows for ease of isolation of the vulnerable. You get the least vulnerable being infected WITH partying. The less partying, the more vulnerable will get infected due to the longer time it takes to end the virus. This is not at all complex. It should be obvious. The number of people who will get infected can not change. That is fixed, and due to what herd immunity requires. All you can do is select who will get infected. And by "flattening the curve", we ensure the greatest % of the vulnerable will be killed.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Tue, 04 Aug 2020 15:26:54 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51379,from=rss#post51379https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51379,from=rss#post51379Untrue or we would have a whole different scenario's on the common cold. The non vulnerable are at risk, you choose to ignore it. Those "partying" are passing it on to those vulnerable and not so much. So I'm vulnerable because of my age yet healthy, lots of life left but thats okay by you? So whats up your'e, choosing eugenics?nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 04 Aug 2020 05:58:33 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51374,from=rss#post51374https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51374,from=rss#post51374quote:katie5445 wrote: If it has nothing to feed on it passes and dies. Doing the right thing as handwashing, masks and social distancing makes a huge difference. Of course it is not 100% but thousands would be alive and in this country and 158,000 dead and rising in this country, is a big deal. No, since we can't actually quarantine anymore, then social distancing and masks do NOTHING. All they do is delay, but since the end requires herd immunity, they you WILL continue to have infections and deaths until herd immunity is achieved. It does NOT at all matter how much you slow it down, when you have to obtain the exact same number who have acquired immunity through infection. The end point has to be identical, no matter how long or slow you get there. The ONLY way you could have saved lives is if you traded some of the vulnerable who died, with healthy who could have survived. And masks and social distancing then should ONLY be the vulnerable. The healthy should be out partying so they achieve herd immunity more quickly, and save lives.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:03:44 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51369,from=rss#post51369https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51369,from=rss#post51369If it has nothing to feed on it passes and dies. Doing the right thing as handwashing, masks and social distancing makes a huge difference. Of course it is not 100% but thousands would be alive and in this country and 158,000 dead and rising in this country, is a big deal.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Tue, 04 Aug 2020 00:53:04 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51357,from=rss#post51357https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51357,from=rss#post51357quote:katie5445 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:katie5445 wrote: I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour! Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish. I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity. It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn. And of course hospitals. As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life. I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits. The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule. If something can be prevented, it isn't "life" it isn't "life when they pass it to others in the communiity, that is not the case for meningitis then or now. We have a kid or two get it every year at OSU or U of O, plus there is a vaccine..........that you present all viruses in the same category is not only absurd but a serious lack of knowledge. Since no one should be dying from covid-19, then it should be in the rare death category like meningitis. It seems to me it is being deliberately overblown, both in lack of proper treatment, and in hysterical media exaggeration of the risks. You can not prevent covid-19 with masks and social distancing. That only delays and slows infection spread. That never ends it, and forces it to last longer.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 01 Aug 2020 15:47:39 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51349,from=rss#post51349https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51349,from=rss#post51349quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:katie5445 wrote: I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour! Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish. I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity. It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn. And of course hospitals. As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life. I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits. The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule. If something can be prevented, it isn't "life" it isn't "life when they pass it to others in the communiity, that is not the case for meningitis then or now. We have a kid or two get it every year at OSU or U of O, plus there is a vaccine..........that you present all viruses in the same category is not only absurd but a serious lack of knowledge.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 01 Aug 2020 02:09:07 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51339,from=rss#post51339https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51339,from=rss#post51339OTTH, just heard that idiot Texas Rep. Gohmert has come down with C-19 and will not be flying back to Texas with Trump tonight for fund raiser! He has it in his mind, the mask may have had something to do with it; maybe holding germs on the material so close to his face! What an idiot! He may have exposed AG Barr yesterday after the hearing! Gohmert is still walking around without a mask only giving lip service to actually wearing one! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Fiero425)Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:09:00 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51337,from=rss#post51337https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51337,from=rss#post51337quote:katie5445 wrote: I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour! Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish. I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity. It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn. And of course hospitals. As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life. I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits. The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:58:32 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51327,from=rss#post51327https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51327,from=rss#post51327I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour! nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:22:27 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51318,from=rss#post51318https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51318,from=rss#post51318quote:katie5445 wrote: You actually think the only reason masks are worn in surgery because of "open wounds?" That would be so wrong. Did you make that up or what? Young and healthy wear a mask not to infect others. It amazes me, they let persons out of prison but want to send kids to school. Surgical masks do not filter and are not intended to fit tight, so they can't be any more than a spit shield. If you isolate the vulnerable as we should, then there is no one for the healthy to infect. Masks are foolish because their only point is so we can mix the healthy, vulnerable, and infected all together. That is a horrific plan. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:12:53 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51312,from=rss#post51312https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51312,from=rss#post51312Have you ever just said "Hi" to her? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:51:28 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51308,from=rss#post51308https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51308,from=rss#post51308I see Karen every time I go to the grocery store, she stares at me daring me to say something. There are plenty of crazy women out there.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:20:36 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51304,from=rss#post51304https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51304,from=rss#post51304nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:04:58 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51298,from=rss#post51298https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51298,from=rss#post51298You actually think the only reason masks are worn in surgery because of "open wounds?" That would be so wrong. Did you make that up or what? Young and healthy wear a mask not to infect others. It amazes me, they let persons out of prison but want to send kids to school. nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Mon, 27 Jul 2020 02:54:16 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51292,from=rss#post51292https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51292,from=rss#post51292quote:katie5445 wrote: Guess what, your herd immunity isn't working. In procedures you wear a mask to prevent disease to the patient as we are doing now, protecting the other guy. Only selfish idiots go without a mask. Wearing a mask whether in surgery or for us reduces the chances, no one lives in a bubble of sterility nor can they. Your idea of achiveing herd immunity by only getting and passing a disease is ridiculous and unnecesary in the 21st century. Herd immunity works and always has to work. We just are deliberately preventing it from achieving a high enough immunity %. Essentially we are feeding the virus enough so that it stays alive, potentially forever. Wearing a mask in surgery is because the open wound is much more vulnerable than the mucus lined nose and throat. The patient also will be weak after surgery, for a long time. Wearing a mask around vulnerable people is also a good idea. But it is insane to make young and healthy wear masks to each other. The young and healthy MUST acquire immunity if we ever want to beat this virus. There is no alternative. Flattening the curve can never end it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:52:10 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51286,from=rss#post51286https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51286,from=rss#post51286Guess what, your herd immunity isn't working. In procedures you wear a mask to prevent disease to the patient as we are doing now, protecting the other guy. Only selfish idiots go without a mask. Wearing a mask whether in surgery or for us reduces the chances, no one lives in a bubble of sterility nor can they. Your idea of achiveing herd immunity by only getting and passing a disease is ridiculous and unnecesary in the 21st century.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:11:27 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51281,from=rss#post51281https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51281,from=rss#post51281quote:katie5445 wrote: Baloney, masks protect others it is why medical personnel wear them during surgery, in office/clinics during procedures. It is not Trumps fault that the virus developed in China, many countries have brought us disease and centuries ago Europeans about wiped out the Native population in this country. it is Trumps fault that he has been an idiot addressing the virus. 20 million children in this country have chronic health issues. Two 36 y.o olds died in OR this week with no underlying conditions, to claim kids are safe is outrageous at this point. OR can no longer track, the high amount of cases are spreading throughout communities which was once, nursing homes, prisons, churches and places with crowds as we are seeing in many states. I surgery there is no other means of protection so you have to wear a mask. With an epidemic the best means of protection for everyone is herd immunity, so then only compromised should wear a mask.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 25 Jul 2020 03:52:44 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51272,from=rss#post51272https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51272,from=rss#post51272Baloney, masks protect others it is why medical personnel wear them during surgery, in office/clinics during procedures. It is not Trumps fault that the virus developed in China, many countries have brought us disease and centuries ago Europeans about wiped out the Native population in this country. it is Trumps fault that he has been an idiot addressing the virus. 20 million children in this country have chronic health issues. Two 36 y.o olds died in OR this week with no underlying conditions, to claim kids are safe is outrageous at this point. OR can no longer track, the high amount of cases are spreading throughout communities which was once, nursing homes, prisons, churches and places with crowds as we are seeing in many states.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 25 Jul 2020 02:11:29 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51254,from=rss#post51254https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51254,from=rss#post51254quote:Fiero425 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: Whatever I got in Dec. was quick, and went from feeling fine to not being able to get out of bed, overnight. I had fever, vomiting, no taste or smell, headache, and tiredness. Intense for 3 days, but lasted about 2 weeks. Never had anything like that before. Course I was never this old before either. But going back to old flu epidemics, Hong Kong flu and Asian Flu still killed more people. Why are we acting as if cv-19 is more lethal or infectious, when it is not as quick or deadly as these past flu epidemics? Someone ask "Don Jr." when's the last time the whole country was encouraged the need to do anything as serious as wear masks? I've been around since "air raid" exercises were done! We haven't been this "3rd world" since the days of gas and sugar rationing during WW II! It only took Trump one term to turn us into this! Thanks to all of you who supported such a creature! Not sure WTF is going to become of us! This was such a violation of all we held dear! It's been torn asunder in such a way, IDK how a republican can even have the balls to question the character or integrity of a Dem on anything ever again? Except that wearing a mask is selfish and only out of fear for yourself. It is ok for vulnerable to be selfish and wear a mask, but the young and healthy should instead be acquiring immunity, if they are not already immune, so that we can eliminate the virus completely. There may be a lot of things wrong with Trump, but there is not way to blame him for a virus evolved in China.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:23:03 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51252,from=rss#post51252https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51252,from=rss#post51252quote:Rigby5 wrote: Whatever I got in Dec. was quick, and went from feeling fine to not being able to get out of bed, overnight. I had fever, vomiting, no taste or smell, headache, and tiredness. Intense for 3 days, but lasted about 2 weeks. Never had anything like that before. Course I was never this old before either. But going back to old flu epidemics, Hong Kong flu and Asian Flu still killed more people. Why are we acting as if cv-19 is more lethal or infectious, when it is not as quick or deadly as these past flu epidemics? Someone ask "Don Jr." when's the last time the whole country was encouraged the need to do anything as serious as wear masks? I've been around since "air raid" exercises were done! We haven't been this "3rd world" since the days of gas and sugar rationing during WW II! It only took Trump one term to turn us into this! Thanks to all of you who supported such a creature! Not sure WTF is going to become of us! This was such a violation of all we held dear! It's been torn asunder in such a way, IDK how a republican can even have the balls to question the character or integrity of a Dem on anything ever again? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Fiero425)Thu, 23 Jul 2020 07:11:48 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51135,from=rss#post51135https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51135,from=rss#post51135Whatever I got in Dec. was quick, and went from feeling fine to not being able to get out of bed, overnight. I had fever, vomiting, no taste or smell, headache, and tiredness. Intense for 3 days, but lasted about 2 weeks. Never had anything like that before. Course I was never this old before either. But going back to old flu epidemics, Hong Kong flu and Asian Flu still killed more people. Why are we acting as if cv19 is more lethal or infectious, when it is not as quick or deadly as these past flu epidemics?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:55:54 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51127,from=rss#post51127https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51127,from=rss#post51127No it is not. Not for decades is it comparable to the flu. And what is the difference compared to other communicable diseases that ravage countries but not ours? Symptoms are not often similar. Half the ill do not report any respiratory systems or fever People are going to bed asymtomatic and horribly ill the next am or not waking up. Flu is respiratory, there is a list of covid symptoms completely unrelated to a flu virus. It is not the flu or like the flu, nor will it pass in warm weather. If you didn't suffer upper respiratory symptoms means you didn't have a respiratory infection, obviously you were ill and it did mean SOMETHING but you can't put a name to it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:43:32 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51122,from=rss#post51122https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51122,from=rss#post51122quote:katie5445 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:katie5445 wrote: I would think you'd have an agenda against the poor dying. You "think" covid will kill far more because of the lockdown then how did our grandparents make it through WW1, a great depression and WW2? It is the poverty stricken of colour who are suffering the most, Trump trying to cull the crop of those poor and of colour....... Yes I do have an agenda against the poor dying. But death panels provide an opportunity for impartial review of health care spending, while without death panels, the poor just are just cut off from further treatment or access. The only time a lock down like this was done before, was with Spanish flu, and it was a total failure. It was masks and social distancing to flatten the curve with Spanish flu, that made it last for 3 years and kill so many. The way to minimize deaths is to get it over faster Lock downs are not quarantines, so do not really work or do any good. And to do a real quarantine, you need to have at least 2 separate food sources so that you prevent contact at a single food source as we do now. I would say statistics show far different than what you are stating by a long shot. The Spanish flu was not 3 yrs., it was 1/18 to 6/19 and with advanced medical science much is hard to compare, plus this is not the flu and why anyone compares it to the flu still is beyond me. The reason people compare it to flu is that is similar in infection rate and mortality in healthy people. Symptoms are also similar. I had SOMETHING in Dec that was about the worst illness I ever had, and except for the fact there was no trouble breathing or shortness of breath, it was the same symptoms they describe for cv19.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 04:40:37 +0000 Re: How Republicans Became The Party Of Death Panelshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51120,from=rss#post51120https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p51120,from=rss#post51120quote:katie5445 wrote: quote:Rigby5 wrote: quote:katie5445 wrote: I would think you'd have an agenda against the poor dying. You "think" covid will kill far more because of the lockdown then how did our grandparents make it through WW1, a great depression and WW2? It is the poverty stricken of colour who are suffering the most, Trump trying to cull the crop of those poor and of colour....... Yes I do have an agenda against the poor dying. But death panels provide an opportunity for impartial review of health care spending, while without death panels, the poor just are just cut off from further treatment or access. The only time a lock down like this was done before, was with Spanish flu, and it was a total failure. It was masks and social distancing to flatten the curve with Spanish flu, that made it last for 3 years and kill so many. The way to minimize deaths is to get it over faster Lock downs are not quarantines, so do not really work or do any good. And to do a real quarantine, you need to have at least 2 separate food sources so that you prevent contact at a single food source as we do now. I would say statistics show far different than what you are stating by a long shot. The Spanish flu was not 3 yrs., it was 1/18 to 6/19 and with advanced medical science much is hard to compare, plus this is not the flu and why anyone compares it to the flu still is beyond me. {... The 1918 flu was first observed in Europe, the United States and parts of Asia before swiftly spreading around the world. ... The first wave of the 1918 pandemic occurred in the spring and was generally mild. The sick, who experienced such typical flu symptoms as chills, fever and fatigue, usually recovered after several days, and the number of reported deaths was low. However, a second, highly contagious wave of influenza appeared with a vengeance in the fall of that same year. Victims died within hours or days of developing symptoms, their skin turning blue and their lungs filling with fluid that caused them to suffocate. In just one year, 1918, the average life expectancy in America plummeted by a dozen years. ... However, a second, highly contagious wave of influenza appeared with a vengeance in the fall of that same year. Victims died within hours or days of developing symptoms, their skin turning blue and their lungs filling with fluid that caused them to suffocate. In just one year, 1918, the average life expectancy in America plummeted by a dozen years. ... By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity. ...} https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic So that is at least 2 years for Spanish flu in the US. Where I got the 3 years from may be due to other countries, but then I should not be blaming the lock down in the US for what happens in other countries. But still 2 years is VERY long and should not have happened. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sun, 12 Jul 2020 04:38:00 +0000