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Pneumonia if severe enough can require similar treatment methods. It's an illness at least as dangerous as covid-19 and probably more dangerous.

Reducing the power of one's immune system is always a tricky thing to do even though it can lead to good results in some cases. A friend of mine who has been taking prednisone to help with his overactive immune system and resultant pain recently came down with a case of pneumonia. Fortunately it could be effectively treated with an antibiotic.



Pneumonia is not more dangerous than covid, deaths from pneumonia in 2019 was 54,000 and we are up to 183,000 from covid in 6 months. They have been treating covid with prednisone and anti arthritic meds
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I have to say.... I don't know where people are getting their information but I find it extremely distressing to this entire country.
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You can disagree all you want, look it up.



I already did look it up so I could quote the symptoms.
A disease can be caused by the attack of a malevolent predatory organism, but can also be due to some imbalance of something totally benign. An auto immune disease can even by an immune system triggered incorrectly by our own body.



Exactly, low Potassium and sodium are a symptom and one attributed to many diseases, which is the bit you miss. Think headaches, also not a disease but a symptom.
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Diabetes is probably the best known auto-immune disease although I suspect most people don't know that it falls into that category. It's certainly an indication that our immune systems are not perfect and can go haywire.



And since we know about how to moderate an immune system that is out of whack, it surprises me we are not ameliorating the immune system symptoms from covid-19 more successfully?



I guess you think that because you think everything is an easy fix.
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Pneumonia if severe enough can require similar treatment methods. It's an illness at least as dangerous as covid-19 and probably more dangerous.

Reducing the power of one's immune system is always a tricky thing to do even though it can lead to good results in some cases. A friend of mine who has been taking prednisone to help with his overactive immune system and resultant pain recently came down with a case of pneumonia. Fortunately it could be effectively treated with an antibiotic.



Pneumonia is not more dangerous than covid, deaths from pneumonia in 2019 was 54,000 and we are up to 183,000 from covid in 6 months. They have been treating covid with prednisone and anti arthritic meds




If covid-19 had not been artificially retained by "flattening the curve", then the death total would have been less than pneumonia. Covid-19 death tolls come from duration, not lethality or infection rates. And duration is entirely due to deliberate "flattening the curve".
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Pneumonia if severe enough can require similar treatment methods. It's an illness at least as dangerous as covid-19 and probably more dangerous.

Reducing the power of one's immune system is always a tricky thing to do even though it can lead to good results in some cases. A friend of mine who has been taking prednisone to help with his overactive immune system and resultant pain recently came down with a case of pneumonia. Fortunately it could be effectively treated with an antibiotic.



Pneumonia is not more dangerous than covid, deaths from pneumonia in 2019 was 54,000 and we are up to 183,000 from covid in 6 months. They have been treating covid with prednisone and anti arthritic meds



Nit picking. Based on that way of calculating the danger, the rabies virus is not as dangerous as covid. As a former nurse you have to know that pneumonia is an illness that needs to be taken very seriously regardless whether it is quite as dangerous as covid or not in any particular case. Muppet creator Jim Henson mistook his pneumonia for a much less serious illness such as a cold and by the time he took it seriously it was too late. Doctors weren't able to save him.

Using an immune suppressing drug and getting pneumonia can easily be as life threatening as covid-19.
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54k in one year vs. 180k in 6 months is "nitpicking? Not good at math? Rabies, that would be 210% true. I take pneumonia extremely seriously, I've also been a pneumonia patient. I also have lung disease.
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54k in one year vs. 180k in 6 months is "nitpicking? Not good at math? Rabies, that would be 210% true. I take pneumonia extremely seriously, I've also been a pneumonia patient. I also have lung disease.



You're comparing the total number of fatalities of a very contagious disease during a pandemic with a more generally controlled illness which isn't the kind of comparison I'm making. I'm comparing the danger of each illness once you have contracted it.

And even if pneumonia is not as dangerous as covid, it's dangerous enough to be taken very seriously. Just as seriously as anyone takes covid-19.
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Who said pneumonia wasn't taken seriously and why the comparison in a pandemic? I'm not getting your point. The top 7 causes of death in the world is disease. Pneumonia for me would be as serious as covid and again, your point?
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Pneumonia if severe enough can require similar treatment methods. It's an illness at least as dangerous as covid-19 and probably more dangerous.

Reducing the power of one's immune system is always a tricky thing to do even though it can lead to good results in some cases. A friend of mine who has been taking prednisone to help with his overactive immune system and resultant pain recently came down with a case of pneumonia. Fortunately it could be effectively treated with an antibiotic.



Pneumonia is not more dangerous than covid, deaths from pneumonia in 2019 was 54,000 and we are up to 183,000 from covid in 6 months. They have been treating covid with prednisone and anti arthritic meds




No, cpvod-19 is only killing 20,000 a month, while pneumonia kills more like 25,000 month.
Pneumonia is seasonal since it takes cold weather to really cause a lot of cases, but covid-19 also should only last a couple of months. The fact we have deliberately "flattened the curve" to keep covid-19 around forever, it our fault, not the normal way any epidemic would ever act on its own or any ever has.
The fact covid-19 is up to 183,000 is just 20,000 a month. And by preventing herd immunity, there can never be an end to it. Flattening the curve make it last longer, and with an epidemic, that means more deaths.

Glad to hear they are trying some immuno suppressants, but clearly they must not be using enough. No one should be dying. Covid-19 is just not that deadly.
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